Upgrade from Sage V6 to V9 because of EPG shutdown

[VCRUser]

Originally Posted by photon

Are these instructions taken from my old printed manual still correct?

I know I stashed the 7.19 install files somewhere for future use; not sure about the manual. Does someone have a link to that?

[Opus4]

Originally Posted by VCRUser

I know I stashed the 7.19 install files somewhere for future use; not sure about the manual. Does someone have a link to that?

See my sig, below.

[VCRUser]

Thanks! I have now stashed the Sage7 manual with my other documentation so I can get started on my update/epg plan.

[VCRUser]

Photon,
Thanks for the book - more info is better. I do think I will do a trial run on a separate computer, taking lots of notes as I go, before doing the update on my actual server.

[Fuzzy]

Meh, I think this should be a reason for everyone to upgrade to an unRAID install for their sage server. ;-)

[reggie14]

Does anyone have any pointers for migrating from the built-in EPG service to Schedules Direct? I'm reluctantly accepting that I'll likely need to re-add my sources, but is there at least a way for me to get a printable list of the channels enabled on each source before I do that? I spent a lot of time figuring out which channels I receive and which channels are DRMed.

[wayner]

There is a plugin called Import/Export Channel Lineup. I haven't tried it but it looks like it could be useful, at least for going from V7 to V9 as I don't know if the plugin works in V6.

[dealsdyker]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

Meh, I think this should be a reason for everyone to upgrade to an unRAID install for their sage server. ;-)

Hey Fuzzy, can you put together a simple tutorial on how to setup unraid for SageTV? With the EPG going away I'm finally getting serious about looking for hardware for unraid and going through the effort. I am currently on a single WHS instance with SageTV running on WHS as well as WHS serving up all the files in the home.

I've read up on unraid and am watching for a new machine to buy. I know unraid can work on just about anything but I don't have anything at the moment. I was thinking to get a Dell T20 . The Xeon processor version goes on sale for around $300ish every 2 months or so.

I've been planning to move in this direction but just haven't yet and would appreciate some direction because I think with unraid I could run Sage and replace my WHS at the same time. If there are already instructions or "how to" for Unraid and sage feel free to point me there.

[wayner]

I will try to help with this as I am going down this road.

The first suggestion would be to try out unRAID on an old PC if you have one lying around. Throw in a couple of hard drives and try it out. Install SageTV and maybe a few other things to get the hang of how unRAID/Docker works.

[photon]

Originally Posted by dealsdyker

Hey Fuzzy, can you put together a simple tutorial on how to setup unraid for SageTV? With the EPG going away I'm finally getting serious about looking for hardware for unraid and going through the effort. I am currently on a single WHS instance with SageTV running on WHS as well as WHS serving up all the files in the home.

I'm curious. I hadn't heard of unRAID. I just googled unRAID but I'm not fully getting what it does other than provide safe media storage. What is the advantage over installing sage on any other os. Or is unRAID low price the main reason?
I don't think it can do backup of other computers can it?
I guess you would install the linux version of Sage on this correct?

[wayner]

I agree, it is confusing. Here is my take, but I could be off by a bit.

unRAID is a NAS OS built on top of Linux. It allows you to run something called Docker which are essentially applications in self contained spaces. There are Docker versions of Sage, Plex, etc. unRAID also facilitates VMS - so you can also use it to run versions of Windows and Linux.

So you set up a PC to run unRAID, then you install the SageTV docker version. Installing Sage takes literally two minutes (other than setting up tuners, etc). I am testing this out right now but it looks pretty good.

I currently use WHS 2011 to back up my PCs. I may install WHS2011 in a VM on unRAID just to use to back up my client PCs. I don't need the file server functionality as that is what unRAID is made for.

It appears that most of the top developers here have moved towards the unRAID/docker version of Sage. So it is likely the most supported version going forward. Right now you need to go with Linux if you want the 64 bit version of Java which allows you to run more miniclients.

[stuckless]

Originally Posted by photon

I'm curious. I hadn't heard of unRAID. I just googled unRAID but I'm not fully getting what it does other than provide safe media storage. What is the advantage over installing sage on any other os. Or is unRAID low price the main reason?
I don't think it can do backup of other computers can it?
I guess you would install the linux version of Sage on this correct?

unRAID is a NAS solution that happens to support runnings VMs and Docker containers.

SageTV can be setup/deployed in a couple minutes using Docker, so, if you are running unRAID, you can have a full sagetv setup with native comskip support, fairly quickly.

So really the ease of setup is primary reason, the fact that you also get a top notch NAS solution that can also be used to host Plex, Emby, and other Docker containers with a couple of mouse clicks is a bonus.

[BobPhoenix]

If you go unRAID install the Community Applications plugin as that will allow you to install Dockers and Plugins much easier than the native method. I think it should be built into unRAID.

[photon]

Originally Posted by wayner

I agree, it is confusing. Here is my take, but I could be off by a bit.

It appears that most of the top developers here have moved towards the unRAID/docker version of Sage. So it is likely the most supported version going forward. Right now you need to go with Linux if you want the 64 bit version of Java which allows you to run more miniclients.

Originally Posted by stuckless

unRAID is a NAS solution that happens to support runnings VMs and Docker containers.

SageTV can be setup/deployed in a couple minutes using Docker, so, if you are running unRAID, you can have a full sagetv setup with native comskip support, fairly quickly.

So really the ease of setup is primary reason, the fact that you also get a top notch NAS solution that can also be used to host Plex, Emby, and other Docker containers with a couple of mouse clicks is a bonus.

Originally Posted by BobPhoenix

If you go unRAID install the Community Applications plugin as that will allow you to install Dockers and Plugins much easier than the native method. I think it should be built into unRAID.

Thank you all! I have some thinking to do. Backup is primarily what has kept me with WHS

[stuckless]

Originally Posted by photon

Thank you all! I have some thinking to do. Backup is primarily what has kept me with WHS

You can check out crashplan for backup/restore... there is a Docker for it as well. I gave it a try a few months back, it was pretty good... but, I was checking it out for a somewhat non-technical friend, and it seemed to be too much. Just so I'm clear, when I refer to non-technical people, these are really just normal computer users... if you run SageTV then you are likley 10x more technical than these

[wayner]

But Crashplan is more for cloud backup. WHS gave your daily local backups that were useful for doing a full metal restore for when your hard drive or SSD dies. I asked this question on the unRAID forums and one person replied that he installed WHS2011 in a VM on unRAID and has it do client backups that way.

[photon]

Originally Posted by stuckless

You can check out crashplan for backup/restore... there is a Docker for it as well. I gave it a try a few months back, it was pretty good... but, I was checking it out for a somewhat non-technical friend, and it seemed to be too much. Just so I'm clear, when I refer to non-technical people, these are really just normal computer users... if you run SageTV then you are likley 10x more technical than these

Thank you for the suggestion. I just looked it over. They don't address restore in their feature list I noticed. Looking under support it appears that restore is pretty outdated when it comes to restoring because of drive failure. It appears you have to get yourself all the way back up and running to the point of reinstalling their app before you can restore anything. No bare metal restore and that is the only kind of backup I need. Before WHS I used. Bounceback and Acronis true image very successfully but I'm spoiled now by WHS which has saved my bacon several times from SSD failures and had me back up in about 30 min. With WHS 2011 the server os drive its self is protected from drive failure and recoverable from image simply by booting the server from CD and choosing to restore from the latest os image backup.

[photon]

Originally Posted by wayner

But Crashplan is more for cloud backup. WHS gave your daily local backups that were useful for doing a full metal restore for when your hard drive or SSD dies. I asked this question on the unRAID forums and one person replied that he installed WHS2011 in a VM on unRAID and has it do client backups that way.

I fear that installing WHS 2011 that was previously installed will result in a licensing issue. Unfortunately I can't get a new copy of WHS 2011 at this point.

[EnterNoEscape]

Originally Posted by wayner

But Crashplan is more for cloud backup. WHS gave your daily local backups that were useful for doing a full metal restore for when your hard drive or SSD dies. I asked this question on the unRAID forums and one person replied that he installed WHS2011 in a VM on unRAID and has it do client backups that way.

CrashPlan wants you to buy their cloud backup service, but it works just as well with local storage for backups.

[wayner]

By does Crashplan do a full image of your hard drive to allow a bare metal restore?