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Ps they do supply storage devices list. Scroll down to Storage. https://www.silicondust.com/dvr-service/#devices
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As for the WD Mycloud single drive only if it has ethernet port on back as they have embedded NAS OS on board. |
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The Silicondust DVR does need to run on a host of some kind. You can run on a PC or select NAS devices. You can also run on the Nvidia Shield TV with a external hard drive. These same devices also support the Plex server but the lack a powerful cpu limits functionality somewhat. Also: Only the more resent HDHRs support the DVR functionality. The Silicondust DVR infrastructure seems to have allowed for the Emby and Plex DVR. The Emby DVR is the only one with a traditional Grid Guide and currently allows for live TV on most clients. (I have tested Android, Xbox, FireTV). Truthfully I prefer Plex overall but it does not support Live TV at this time and Recording can only be scheduled via a browser. Emby is much more mature. So the Silicondust DVR is not good but it supports DVRs form Emby and Plex that are decent and improving. Also: The recording are stored in a format that is easily scan-able with Plex, Emby, Kodi and SageTV. I personally used MCEbuddy to run comskip and other post processing steps like converting everything to mp4. (I do this for SageTV recordings as well) Note: None of these solutions record anything other than OTA right now. HD-PVR like solutions are not supported. Lastly: Once the DirecTV Now service has built in DVR I can see myself using it and PLex or Emby with the HDHR DVR functionality to replace SageTV. But they are not mature enough yet.
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The main thing that has caused me not to use SageTV anymore as my main DVR is the way it uses padding ... it cannot keep padding before and after using only 1 tuner.. If you want to keep padding on back to back recordings same channel you have to use 2 tuners. The HDHRDVR handles this quite nicely. I really do not care about having a grid guide ... as I usually know what I want to record... and watch.
SageTV does not use tuners efficiently.
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BTW. Love the Shield Update with Live Channels PIP I can watch TV and play Legend of Zelda
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Actually that not true Emby dose support all the HD-PVR model just not directly supported you have to use a 3rd party app on top Emby namely NextPVR and but your still limited to Windows OS.
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SageTV should be able to do this as well but some one has rewrite the tuner and capture part not keep on making a monkey out of it by add on other add on, on top of it which is all ready a big mess. |
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Another point about Silicondust's DVR is that they store your lineups, recording schedules, etc in the cloud. So if your subscription lapses, they have an outage, or your internet connection is interrupted it'll be less than ideal. Quote:
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The trickier part I think is client playback of live TV when it's a show that's being split in all directions. Do we just split off a new stream when the channel is tuned in and playback that? The problem with that would be you wouldn't be able to seek back within content that was already recorded. Do we playback the longest lived still recording stream for that channel and switch to a new split off stream when the show changes? I'm going to start playing with this again at some point, so hopefully I'll have better answers by then. I know there's a lot more to this and this approach would not work with network encoders that do not support use of the media server, but I have ideas on how to handle that situation too since we always know what version of the protocol they are using which also tells us what they should be able to do. To that point, we can also add commands to the protocol to get what exactly they plan on doing if we use them. This can all be done without changing anything significant about how the native capture devices work and supports the idea that has been put out there that the native capture devices should be separated into their own JVM or fully native service so that the primary JVM can be run in 64-bit on Windows. Moving those native bits out of any JVM altogether might also make it a lot easier for someone to actually support that side of things since debugging becomes a lot easier. This is obviously way off topic and a much bigger discussion.
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It'd be very simple to handle writing the streams to more than one file in the network encoder end, but it would require having more 'virtual' tuners presented to sage than there are physically. Stephane's older DVB plugin did this I believe. The issue is that sage's scheduler is not aware of this, so there's no way for it to account for the actual physical tuner count when doing its scheduling. This would take major overhauls in the most complicated part of sagetv (and really, its the part that separates sage from just about all other DVR's out there), ultimately for very negligible returns (I honestly don't think I have used padding on anything in years - and adding more tuners is trivial).
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I default to 5 minutes of padding before and after all recordings, and every once in a while I still get something cut off (though 1 minute of padding would probably be enough for most shows). Anything that's on CBS or Fox on Sunday nights I add 45 minutes of padding due to football being on earlier in the day on those channels.
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I have been with the HDHRDVR since the kickstarter and the first and most requested feature was back-to-back padding.... then DRM of course.
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There's also the problem of getting the capture device to change it's filtering dynamically so that if a recording was already in progress and you start something live on a sub-channel for example, you aren't disrupting the in progress recording briefly. You could argue that we shouldn't use the hardware filtering then. That would generate so much noise for network devices that you would then be complaining about packets being dropped. I've tested this. It's insane how much traffic you get with everything wide open. All of the capture device interaction would need to be overhauled. The native capture devices would need to be reworked. We would need to be able to tell a network encoder to start another stream without it thinking that it needs to stop the previous one and a way to tell the network encoder which stream to stop on the same capture device. This feels like a year long project. This has a much higher likelihood of happening on cable, but then we have the problem of SDV and always moving virtual channels. My lineup is extremely stable, but I've seen some of the forum members have all kinds of problems with their cable company constantly fiddling. Maybe DVB is the only area where this makes a lot of sense, but I can definitely say this is hard to visualize working given how SageTV does scheduling. And more importantly being able to do these things efficiently since the scheduler runs a lot. I know this is something people want and they have seen it in other projects. I know that everything keeps being told that this is a big undertaking. There are good reasons for those answers. If we re-wrote most of the scheduler for SageTV, I'm sure we could end up with something flexible enough that adding something like this would be trivial. This is not an impossible request. The problem is that is just one part of the puzzle and given the current lack of interest in working on the native capture devices, it's not going to happen.
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What I like to see is SageTV get an major overhauled with it native capture devices reworked so that all newer Mulit Tuner*like dualHD and quadHD Tuner as well*as the newer HD-PVR even take parts of EnterNoEscape OpenDCT add it in for network tuner. Pleases for love of god fix channel*scanning as it*is painful slow and not*very accurate. |
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