Studio Release

[mls]

Personally, I consider Studio "vaporware". Even if it ever does come to be released to the general public, I'm not expecting it for a long time. Even if it does come out I don't expect it to be included with SageTV nor do I expect it to be free. Most likely it will be released to OEM's for use in customizing their own products.

In anycase, until Frey cleans up things with the core of SageTV so there is actually standard for it's use, they can't possibly finalize Studio for release anyway. And, since they keep changing the core there's not much likelyhood of any official Studio release. As such, poof, vaporware as far as I'm concerned.

[dkardatzke]

Currently SageTV Studio is only available to OEMs, Integrators and a handful of private testers. Unfortunately there will not be a public release this year. We will revisit our release options in 2005 with regards to what options will be available to the public for testing and integration.

In the meantime, our private testers will continue to make there work available publicly for testing. This testing is important in gathering feedback from them and the end user for future implementation options. I appreciate everyone's patience as we explore our options for releasing this powerful product.

[Jere_Jones]

Originally Posted by dkardatzke

Unfortunately there will not be a public release this year. We will revisit our release options in 2005 with regards to what options will be available to the public for testing and integration.

Wow! That's depressing... I'm gonna go pout now.

Originally Posted by dkardatzke

In the meantime, our private testers will continue to make there work available publicly for testing.

And thank goodness they do. SageTV, while already a competent product, is thrown into greatness with the work of the "private testers". I know that I, personally, am 1,000,000% happier with Sage due to their efforts.

Jere

[mbrown3]

Thanks for the update Dan! At least you've eliminated some of the speculation. I, for one, am happy to work with what testers are putting out, since I wouldn't really have time to work with Studio much right now anyway (of course, if it was available, I'd likely find time somewhere!). Keep up the great work.

[kny3twalker]

Personally, I consider Studio "vaporware". Even if it ever does come to be released to the general public, I'm not expecting it for a long time. Even if it does come out I don't expect it to be included with SageTV nor do I expect it to be free. Most likely it will be released to OEM's for use in customizing their own products.

In anycase, until Frey cleans up things with the core of SageTV so there is actually standard for it's use, they can't possibly finalize Studio for release anyway. And, since they keep changing the core there's not much likelyhood of any official Studio release. As such, poof, vaporware as far as I'm concerned.

nice call on the Vaporware

[ckron]

Originally Posted by dkardatzke

Currently SageTV Studio is only available to OEMs, Integrators and a handful of private testers. Unfortunately there will not be a public release this year. We will revisit our release options in 2005 with regards to what options will be available to the public for testing and integration.

In the meantime, our private testers will continue to make there work available publicly for testing. This testing is important in gathering feedback from them and the end user for future implementation options. I appreciate everyone's patience as we explore our options for releasing this powerful product.

This is bullshit, dude. You promised Studio would release with 2.0. There are people who trusted you and took you at your word. We paid good money for this product.

[AndyS]

We will revisit our release options in 2005 with regards to what options will be available to the public for testing and integration.

I suspect that Dan has been very careful with his wording of the above post. My fear (reading a little between the lines) is that Frey are now considering not giving the general public the 'full' version of Studio . For me that would be a disaster.

I sincerely hope I'm wrong.

Andy.

[zz5]

Originally Posted by AndyS

My fear (reading a little between the lines) is that Frey are now considering not giving the general public the 'full' version of Studio.

My fear, based on what Dan said, is that not only do they not plan to give us a full version, they don't plan to give us any version. That's definitely the way it sounds. It sounds like releasing Studio to the public is now just a possible option eventually in the future.

But maybe that's just the way it sounds. This would be a major shift in policy with Studio. The plan has always been to release it to the public. Dan, I hope you post again here to clarify.

I would be really ticked off if they weren't planning to release Studio, and I haven't really used the custom STV's that much. I know that a lot of people have spent a lot of time testing these STV's out. I would think they'd really be mad.

[r00st3r]

This is what I was after when I started this post. Some sort of reply form Frey about Studio. Unfortunately those of us that were looking forward to customizing our own interface for SAGE will now be dissapointed. I guess you could say in a way that we were beta testing the custom STV's that those who had Studio developed. By doing that, we also were part of the Studio beta test process in hopes that the final product would be released. Without us using the stv's that were developed and giving our feedback, the real beta testers would never had been able to find some of the beta "issues" so Frey could better Studio... Being a part of this Forum and Using the STV's allowed the developers of the stv's to push the envelopes of the Studio beta.

Some people are going to be upset. I for one will probably look to Meedio to develop a front end and use Sage for TV\PVR only after this announcement.

Kind of sad actually...

Good Luck to you all....

[Cayars]

Guys, don't jump to conclusions here and read things into what Dan said.

Maybe, Studio needs a little more refinement here and there before it's ready for the masses. Don't forget that it will need to be supported. They have to keep this in mind. Maybe Jeff/Dan want to simplify it's use. I don't know the answers to these questions, either, but I'm glad that Dan made his post.

Maybe, if everyone doesn't start ranting and raving and respectfully ask, they might give us more information about their intentions for studio.

And BTW, I do not know anything more then you guys on this.

[flashbacck]

Damnit, I don't want to use Meedio or another front end with sage. Without a matching theme, it'd look retarded.

Rather than waiting several more months, I'm all for releasing Studio as is with little to no support.

edit: << me ranting and raving.

[r00st3r]

I don't think we are jumping to conclusions. He said

"Unfortunately there will not be a public release this year. We will revisit our release options in 2005 with regards to what options will be available to the public for testing and integration."

Studio was going to be the icing on the cake.

Flashback, you are right. it would look retarded, but meedio has an mce theme and so does Sage ( as soon as mlbdude complete it.) then I will integrate the two and it should look OK.

[JUC]

so which is is. Meedio or MCE? Just kidding I just need to convince carlo to include Cd ripping/ burning and DVD burning and I can hold off a little longer...but not forever!!!
JUC

[PGPfan]

Originally Posted by ckron

This is bullshit, dude. You promised Studio would release with 2.0. There are people who trusted you and took you at your word. We paid good money for this product.

I've got to agree with you here. We understand about wanting to get functionatlity right, and that being a cause for delay, but come on Dan?

This feature has been PROMISED for the better part of a year. I can wait until next year, but the "We will revisit our release options in 2005 with regards to what options will be available to the public for testing and integration." is nothing but cryptic denial. I challenge you to MAKE GOOD ON YOUR WORD. Again, we can wait until next year but keep in mind that for many of us, ALL faith in Frey Technologies will basically be gone if Studio doesn't see the light of day for the 'common lowly users' like us, that thru our purchases and previous faith in your words, built your company.

-PGPfan

[Methius]

Someone tell I'm looking at the calendar the wrong way, and it's april 1st.
I bought this software with in my backmind the kind of configuration I could be doing later on.

I don't want to have to wait and request a feature, (for the sake of not annoying the beta Studio testers to death, and for my own fun), I want to be able to code something myself :S.

Why not just release a *enhanced* (the version as it is now) Studio for people with some experience in coding etc (with a note that no support is given). And later a downgraded version for the less experienced users.

I simply don't see why FT isn't doing this :S. It would increase the community activity behind Sage even more, and with that, draw more customers = more $$$...

This more than sucks.

[Cayars]

Originally Posted by JUC

so which is is. Meedio or MCE? Just kidding I just need to convince carlo to include Cd ripping/ burning and DVD burning and I can hold off a little longer...but not forever!!!
JUC

I'm actually looking at a few open source programs that I'm taking a look at to see if I can use any of this to get it done quickly. Hopefully, with any luck we may have some of these features shortly.

Carlo

[abasu2003]

carlo, have you looked at mythtv? i have no idea how much you can take from linux based code but some of it seems like it might be transferrable. I know jere borrowed from myth for his commercial detection some...before he made it into what it is now. just a thought

[kny3twalker]

This is what I was after when I started this post. Some sort of reply form Frey about Studio. Unfortunately those of us that were looking forward to customizing our own interface for SAGE will now be dissapointed. I guess you could say in a way that we were beta testing the custom STV's that those who had Studio developed. By doing that, we also were part of the Studio beta test process in hopes that the final product would be released. Without us using the stv's that were developed and giving our feedback, the real beta testers would never had been able to find some of the beta "issues" so Frey could better Studio... Being a part of this Forum and Using the STV's allowed the developers of the stv's to push the envelopes of the Studio beta.

I have a feeling we were just beta testing STVs to see the response so OEMs will know what to expect. I asked this same simple question back when 2.0 was released and the response was an announcement would be in a few weeks, well this tooks months, so when they say 2005, they mean 2009 or never.

I now understand the policy of not wanting to let the users in on anything, this is what they wanted to hide, at least for some part. But oh well, I can live without it. And really I do like the product, I received so they have to make their own decisions about whether to piss off their customers or not.

I am actually thinking about trying out MCE, if Frey does not fix the directx9c bug with fast fowarding, not fixing things like that will piss me off more than not releasing studio.

Oh and one more thing, the STV that the beta users are great. But I have not yet seen one that was completed and /or with no bugs, and that sucks.
I do not mind testing for them but they seem to get tired of making the STV and just quit.

[salsbst]

Oh and one more thing, the STV that the beta users are great. But I have not yet seen one that was completed and /or with no bugs, and that sucks.

Please post any bugs you find in Weather Report Suite to the appropriate support thread, and while you're at it, show me the software that is without bugs, and then chill out.

I'm pretty sure that none of the STV/module authors are trying to keep Sage Studio out of your hands.
[edited to remove expressions of personal angst]

[kny3twalker]

Please post any bugs you find in Weather Report Suite to the appropriate support thread, and while you're at it, show me the software that is without bugs, and then chill out.

ok thats fine, I can do that
but most of the time when I point out bugs, I am either annoying the author or there were no plans to fix them

I am not saying that software does not have bugs but the STV are so much more buggy than the default by far sometimes I would rather just use the default


and the weather suite
do not really care about

and never said that you or anyone else was trying to keep studio from me

but now, that you say this, it makes me think, did the beta testers help Frey make the decision for them to not release Studio to public, I am starting to think so after comments like that!