Studio Release

[kny3twalker]

does anyone really care about DRM wrappers anyways though
I really could care less if I could burn my recording
it is called buy another harddrive

and with SDTV going away soon
Frey, MCE and BeyondTV will need some better way to capture HDTV or at least digital broadcast
or they are done in my opinion
I figure MCE will do this though
they will have the first computer that can be used as a digital cable /HD cable box

I would take the DRM wrapper for that over recording via analogue outputs

[nielm]

Originally Posted by kny3twalker

does anyone really care about DRM wrappers anyways though

Depends what the DRM does...

No burning... hmmm maybe Ok, I don't do burning...
No backups... hmmmm well, it's too much to backup anyway
No playback if more than x days after original recording.... um
Playback only a maximum of y times... wait a moment...
No timeshifting at all for certain programs... hey that sucks!

The problem with DRM is that this is all possible. It may not happen now, but it might in the future: You have 'lost control' over the data that is on your disk...

[kny3twalker]

yeah well there's already data on my disk
which I have lost control of
its called my wiz.bin

No playback if more than x days after original recording.... um
Playback only a maximum of y times... wait a moment...
No timeshifting at all for certain programs... hey that sucks!

yeah thats when quality and usability start to switch priorities

but the first two
I do not care about
but I would certainly never invest in an MCE extender though
hacked up Xbox would be a nicer idea

Depends what the DRM does...

and I knew I left it open ended
but currently thats how I feel

[r00st3r]

Looks like everyone is over studio not being released till next year...
this thread is dying

[Ralphjb]

Originally Posted by r00st3r

Looks like everyone is over studio not being released till next year...
this thread is dying

I hope so.

[ckron]

For me, this subject is not so much dead as I think there really isn't anything left to say. I have voiced my opinion, which will not change, and now we will just have wait and see if anyone is listening. It's not like I can get my money back or even sell my license to someone else, since Frey does not allow us to.

[chrysek]

But why bother with Studio? There are so many STV's out there now, most of the features that you might want are already done probably... so what could you do, just create your own skin, make it look the way you want...

I wanted studio and wanted to contribute, even wanted to learn java, I do know C, php and all those things... but now, having such great STV's I just dont need studio no more, I dont feel like spending countless hours doing it...

[flashbacck]

Originally Posted by chrysek

... so what could you do, just create your own skin, make it look the way you want...

Yeah, exactly.

[ckron]

Have you been following this thread? The point is, we payed for it and now we should get it, period. It does not matter if we are going to use it or not.

[korben_dallas]

Has anyone considered becoming an OEM? What do you think it cost to license Studio from Frey under an OEM agreement? Would there be a market for a developer (i.e. savy forum member) to make personalized STV's for end users?

[nielm]

Originally Posted by ckron

The point is, we payed for it [studio] and now we should get it, period.

No you didnt - you paid for sageTV and the feature set it was delivered with.

Anyway, this thead will make no difference... It will get released when Frey decides to release it, and no sooner.

[Cayars]

Originally Posted by korben_dallas

Has anyone considered becoming an OEM? What do you think it cost to license Studio from Frey under an OEM agreement? Would there be a market for a developer (i.e. savy forum member) to make personalized STV's for end users?

What do you need that isn't all ready available?

[mbrown3]

Originally Posted by Cayars

What do you need that isn't all ready available?

A RIGHT CLICK CONTEXT MENU WHERE I CAN HIT OPTIONS LIKE "RECORD," "DELETE," "SET WATCHED," ETC! I've been asking for that since the first STV came out, but no one wants to do it...which is fine, but then give me Studio so I can do it myself. It doesn't seem like that difficult of a request, but no one seems interested. I would be happy to do it.

[Cayars]

Originally Posted by nielm

No you didnt - you paid for sageTV and the feature set it was delivered with.

Anyway, this thead will make no difference... It will get released when Frey decides to release it, and no sooner.

I agree 100% with what Nielm just said. When you purchase/license software you are getting nothing more then what is already developed and released.

Future plans/releases have no meaning what so ever (except for good-faith) from a legal standpoint. Anything & everything could change in the future.

What I said above is null and void if there is a contract or license agreement that says otherwise, which isn't the case with SageTV.

Any additional updates, modifications or newer additions of software is totally up to the developer/company including bug fixes. When you buy/license software a company has no legal requirement to even fix anything that is wrong with it (bugs) as you bought it AS IS.

Not pretty, but true

[IKK]

I don't understand what the issues are really. I can understand a lot of people would like to customize Sage to there likings. Personally I would like to say thank you for all the developers of the STV’s out there. I really can’t see what much more we could really need or would ask for.

When I started out building my own PVR I was looking for something to record my shows. I got it with Frey. Everything else is icing on the cake. I would prefer that Frey put more effort into the PVR core side then anything else. I would prefer the ability to record in HD then have the weather channel telling me it is 80 degrees outside. (This is my personal opinion.)

As I read threads on this board I see people looking and trying out other PVRs for reasons that Frey should implement in there core products. People are looking at the ability to use other cards rather then Hauppauge. Have the ability to record HD like in Windows Media. I really do like Sage and at this moment I see no reason to move. But other technologies are coming and moving quickly. I personally believe Frey as being the Standard in the PC PVR market place and all other companies are looking at them to see what direction they should move in. That is also the feeling for why I think they being so hush, hush in there new developments.

[kny3twalker]

What do you need that isn't all ready available?

polish man
I know all the features are there but polish
icons that match
smooth transititions in menus
trim
as well

come on
although mlbdude and meekell have set out to attempt this the old STV that everyone has been using could use a UI update
it is dull, soft, and could be more attractive
I think that is why everyone would want to make there own UI

not to add stupid stuff like movielistings or weather
no matter how much we enjoy these
the real use of Studio is to create a more polished UI

[Hector]

Originally Posted by Cayars

What do you need that isn't all ready available?

Many things. But mostly the ability to make the UI work the way that suits me. It's not just about features, it's about personalization.

You and others have made Herculean efforts to support the user community, often you take a single user request and work it in to your STV. That's an amazing level of support.

But that being said your pain is not my pain. My pain (as you know) is 57 PAGES of guide data to sort through and Sage provides no way to slice the data at the guide level and persist it. No way to search/browse by time/channel just to see what's going to be on HBO next Saturday night other than to scroll all through the guide. And while I know some of these things are on your list (and I really appreciate that) if it's really really difficult to solve just how much time would you spend on it? There are pvr-350 issues I have ideas for workarounds for. No one is working on solutions probably because no one writing STV's has the card or feels the pain.

I have no perception that Frey owes me and whatever their plans for Studio I respect as a business decision regardless of whether I like it or not. All I am saying is that having a few people working on adding cool features in not even remotely the same thing as personalization/customization or the ability to address less mainstream or ones unique issues.

peace . . .

[korben_dallas]

Very well said Hector

[Cayars]

Yep, well thought out and true reason.

Now if someone wants to buy me a PVR-350 so I can feel your pain....

[mightyt]

Originally Posted by kny3twalker

I think that is why everyone would want to make there own UI

not to add stupid stuff like movielistings or weather

Gee, Salsbst will be glad to hear that ... now he can stop wasting his time on WRS. Come on ... Maybe stupid stuff to you, but your "everyone" reference is a stretch.

I'm happy to say, I love, Weather, WRS, Traffic, RSS, and am really looking forward to Movie Listings. Anything that can make the home theater experience more useful is important to someone or even many. I'm OK with everyone wanting their own personal customized Sage to the nth degree, but don't discourage the development of other valuable stuff to some of us just to feed an insatiable desire for Studio by calling it stupid stuff, thus inferring no one is interested.

Now please don’t take this as too confrontational, text doesn’t reflect body language very well. I’m only respectfully expressing my opinion about your remark.

T.