Studio Release

[broderp]

The more reason to have studio out in the open!

If it wasn't for Cayars skin and it's customizability, then I would be hopppin mad for not having it.

Unfortunately, with complexity comes bugs and glitches, at least on my system.

I think Frey should create thier own CAYARS version of SAGE TV and just allow us a setup program to run to install different modules.

[mbrown3]

Originally Posted by broderp

I think Frey should create thier own CAYARS version of SAGE TV and just allow us a setup program to run to install different modules.

That's a GREAT idea. But, fat chance.

[Cayars]

I'd be up for that. But better make it version 16 they copy!

[sticky]

I really like that idea. In order to compete Frey will need an out of the box solution that does it all. I am sure they would give credit where credit is due.

[mightyt]

Originally Posted by kny3twalker

ok at first I was going to probably get my posted deleted here
but then I see you are doing this more and more

what's the deal?

and personally I doubt there would be much I could do with studio
if I did eventually learn how to use it, great
but I still refuse to sit back and say what Frey is doing is right nor to defend the people with studio that are acting how they are (not all of them let me add that)
quite a few of them just keep using Studio and producing quality work rather than defending what Frey has done

and even if that is not what you said
that is sure how it seems

The joke reference was because you inferred I was kissing up to Opus4 to get Studio. Not true. To prove it, in a lighthearted way, I wanted to ask you the same even though I didn't stand to gain Studio from you. You were suppose to chuckle ...

The deal is this … I neither defend, nor say Frey is right, just that the situation is what it is and we all heard the bottom line from Dan. So why get so upset over it? As for the guys who have Studio, I think they are only giving us more insight because they are closer to Frey than we are. What they know comes through in their posts and I consider their point greater than my own and others who don't have that relationship with Frey.

That being said, I am unsure what you mean by "I see you are doing this more and more"

Please don't take what I say personally, my point of view is just another to be considered, just as your is ... I was only attempting to throw some water on the fire and hope for more productive conversation. This one appears to be worn out some.

Oh … and thanks for not me … That shows self-restraint!

T.

[kny3twalker]

I see you are doing this more and more

ok LOL

you just said that to both Opus4 and me
thats what I see you are doing more and more
asking if we know jokes

I understand thats the situation but do I have to condone it? No
thats all
and furthermore I do not have to agree with how some with studio act (say whatever)

statements like this furthermore do not cool down the fire

What do you need that isn't all ready available?

I mean come on
how broad and belligerent of a statement is this
this self-indulging statement has fueled the thread for almost another three pages

I think we all understand we will have to wait
but at the same time, there is nothing wrong with discussing this constructively
and telling us over and over that we will just have to wait is not helping either
what are we going to do, go to Chicago or whatever and beat on their door for it

[Cayars]

Originally Posted by kny3twalker

<snip>

Below in reference to comment I made:
"What do you need that isn't all ready available?"

I mean come on
how broad and belligerent of a statement is this
this self-indulging statement has fueled the thread for almost another three pages

Since Studio isn't released and I do have it along with a few others here that have been heavily contributing to the community I asked a simple question to further help people out and you're going to say sh*t like this? (belligerent, self-indulging).

You took this WAY OUT OF CONTEXT!

No I'm not really mad as I'm sure this wasn't supposed to be an attack at me. I realize that hostilities for some are high due to them not having Studio but this is out of the Studio testers hands. We don't have a nickle in it or any say at all as to when it will be released.

Please try and watch what is said/how things are said and not attack those that are trying to help!

[mc2wheels]

No offense Cayars, but you really should be careful with email/forums. That is why smilies were invented. Shades of meaning do not come accross. It seemed to me that you were saying your STV was the end all be all. I did not take it as a serious question. But since you asked, here goes:

What is missing from your STV is the same thing that is missing from all of them: official support. I don't really want to use any of the STVs because 2.1 is sort of unstable on it's own. I don't want to put other bugs on top of an unstable system.

Don't get me wrong, what you've done is brilliant, and all of the STVs show the authors' passion for Sage and HTPCs. I have not wanted to weigh in on this thread for fear of disrespecting the STV writers, but we are all stuck in the middle with these things. If these were open source, and studio were available, then I could debug the issues that come along and pare out what I don't want -- I sure wish the features were more plugin oriented. But I can't, and most of them aren't.

I am a developer, and I did buy sage in April, after months of research here, the HTPCNews forum, the AVS forum, etc. The promise of studio was a major selling point. I am not as angry about it as some -- I know how the industry works, and time lines and features change. I am horribly disappointed though.

Bottom line: It should be obvious why people want studio. Everyone has different needs/desires for their HTPC. And everyone has a different idea of what a good UI design is. There are 8 billion apps that people might want to integrate with -- and nobody can integrate them all well into an STV by themselves.

Again, I really think the work that has been done with the STV has been great. But it will never solve every issue for everyone.

[insomniac]

errrrr..to think that I/others just bashed Frey for being flakes...now people are getting at each other over this crap...

[Opus4]

I haven't deleted anything in this thread (unless there were some duplicate posts) and I realize there is a lot of frustration out there regarding Studio, but I may edit/delete things that can be taken as personal attacks. I don't believe any Studio users are thumbing their noses at others with a "nyah, nyah, I've got it & you don't " attitude. (Cayars already said what he meant in post #151.) Complaints can be written w/o being belligerent towards others; please try to do so.

- Andy

[broderp]

I said it before and I'll say it again...

NO STUDIO this year, and/or next year. Seems to me SAGE 3.0 will be a Frey Tec's own version of Cayars "plug and play, modify and go away" STV.

Pluggins will all be simple zip files that should create thier own folder in the Frey technology folder path and you simply select the options via the setup screens like we do now.

On a lighter note:

Cayars,
What post did you list the new features and changes coming up in V16 of your STV? I'm gonna wipe the drive clean and start over this weekend, and would like your latest and greatest.

I originally had a "competitors" STV installed when I upgraded to SAGE 2.1 and then to your STV, so most of the items seemed to work "out of the box" like the weather stuff, but I'm afraid if I do a clean install, I will not have ALL I need for my current config to work, unless your fixes make several things good to go, out of the box.

Thanks for your work on this.

[korben_dallas]

Andy,

I'm wondering if maybe the problem is there are as many (or more) do-it-yourself'ers in this forum than there are those who are just happy/content to have STV's made for them?

My setup is fairly simple, and Sage 2.1 has worked about 90% for me, so I haven't really had any complaints, but there are some things I'd like to change that don't appear to be covered in the available STV's.

[kny3twalker]

Since Studio isn't released and I do have it along with a few others here that have been heavily contributing to the community I asked a simple question to further help people out and you're going to say sh*t like this? (belligerent, self-indulging).

You took this WAY OUT OF CONTEXT!

OK I apoligize
and really apprecaite all the work you all have done with the use of "beta" Studio (I am guessing it is somewhat beta)
and I just do not believe some of these are fair arguements
and although life, the world etc is not fair
I think this thread has just became a thread for discussion and venting
because we already know there is nothing we can change

and oh Opus4
thanks for being there always to censur us

hehe

[insomniac]

I still think that Beef taste better. Hands down.

[Enormous]

Originally Posted by insomniac

I still think that Beef taste better. Hands down.

I prefer lightbulbs.

[insomniac]

maniac!

Originally Posted by Enormous

I prefer lightbulbs.

[Opus4]

Originally Posted by insomniac

I still think that Beef taste better. Hands down.

Oh yeah... you were the one I had that argument with! Continuing that worthwhile debate: But, since neither of them have hands, how can it matter whether their hands are up or down!? I just don't understand some of what you say.

- Andy

[insomniac]

The question you must ask yourself is; that if they did have hands, would it matter which direction they were pointing??

To me, its a no-brainer. Gravity always wins in the end. It is a clear choice whom the winner will be in the battle of taste attrition!

I.

edit: damn typos..

Originally Posted by Opus4

Oh yeah... you were the one I had that argument with! Continuing that worthwhile debate: But, since neither of them have hands, how can it matter whether their hands are up or down!? I just don't understand some of what you say.

- Andy

[mightyt]

Figures ... This thread just starts getting fun and I can't figure out whats going on ...

I like beef, but without hands, up or down ... Does that make sense?

T.

[r00st3r]

Since I started this thread the only thing I was looking for was a light at the end of the tunnel, however small. Dan's post was too cut and dry for me and it smothered out whatever light I could see. Those that have Studio seem to know more than I think they are letting on and aren't telling us because, and I have said this before,The 1st rule about studio is you don't talk about studio.
The 2nd rule about studio is you don't talk about studio.

So this forum has done nothing but go back and forth and has not gone anywhere. Thank you to the STV developers for your hard work, but new revisions are coming out almost daily. which is not acceptable, but then again neither is waiting weeks for you to get things ironed out. That is even more reason to not put the burden on you. The problem with releasing Studio, and this is just an opinion, is that the begining development of sage was not well thought out past the PVR part. Then they thought "well, we will split front end from the backend and then they we can build an SDK to customize it. Well, if the foundation is weak, the house will fall IMHO. This is what I think they have found out and the reason for not releasing studio. But this is my opinion.

The marketing material and web pages said Studio would be included, people bought it and it wasn't, and they aren't to expect it??? I don't think so.

If a car was purchased that said it had airbags, and you found out it didn't after you bought it, would you just say "Oh Well the manufacterer must have changed their mind". This is unacceptable behavior AFAIC. Most people treat their data files as gold, whether PVR, MP3, Photos what have you. Looks as though there is a war going on between Frey and the stv developers and the forum community in regards to this matter...But it's OK if you put smileys in your post hands or no hands......