what drivers to run 1080i from DVI via 6800?

[kny3twalker]

I wondering what drivers everyone was using to run 1080i from DVI? 66.93 have big issues and the new beta beta from 3dguru have there own issues
are there any older drivers? I am willing to give up pure video 67.03 + drivers from working 1080i or is there another way around this?
720p is not smooth
I have too many micro stutters to not look for other options
and still have yet to see what SageTV is going to do about VMR9 playback
I hope they were not refering to using an MVP in place of my video card cvauses thats not going to happen
but they should be a great client
anyways......
anyone with any ideas on drivers?
I am not sure when 6800 driver support started but hopefully
there is one that will work and willing to try betas again as long as someone knows which ones work well and thanks

[mlbdude]

Let me know if you find something on this. I have my 9600 non pro going over component at 1080i and I can't make it tear in VMR9 in Sage or ZP no matter what. With my 5700 over DVI it sucks.

Someone mentioned it was a problem with the nVidia drivers and DVI. Have you tried using component?

[kny3twalker]

6800 cannot do component output (I wish it could I am getting really really blacks blacks but need to try to recalibrate everything)
I can do VMR7 pretty well but I might jump on the X card
and pull the promise ata card out
I still want to use DVI though
I suppose this could be an nvidia issue but I have yet to see smooth VMR9 playback over anything but svideo
and I could get tearing over that by using the nvidia post processor

[GbrNole]

none thus far :/ (unless you use meadiator in which case most driver sets work well)

[kny3twalker]

nstant media works awesome for recorded TV playback
I just do not know how a carppy DVD program like nstant media can outperform SAgeTV in playback
this is sad
they should consider fixing whats wrong before adding s bunch carp that no one seems to want
this does not seem like too much to ask
three app out right now can do this smooth vmr9 playback
nstant media, mediator and MCE
they are products from every level
one freeware made by a talented programmer
one a carppy DVD/video program just included with some nice decoders
and one that is competition for SageTV
frankly unless someone is planning to use a hardware decoder in SAgeTV
I cannot believe anyone would buy it
with how much they seem to care about software decoding any more
it seems aas though this issue has been sidelined just the same as SageTV sidelined MVP and X card support

Well I do not feel like waiting another year for quality playback
and feel lied to about the announcement
after being told they would announce a fix for VMR9
implied or not

I am not saying I will ditch SageTV but guess will have to look at their hardware decoding options
all I know is that this is BS

[edgley]

I just stuck 71.24 onto my htpc, and that has cured any problems that I had.
I do run via DVI if that is important.
My standard SD TV image is amazing (and I use a projector).
I also use Zoomplayer with the Nvidia decoders for DVD, and that picture is also very good.
There is a fix for VMR9, it is in SP2

[kny3twalker]

oh I am running 71.24 and SP2 with nvidia decoders and yeah it looks great in other apps like nstant media or mediator

SagETV says they are running renderless VMR9 well it is a very poorly (EXTREMELY) written then
cause I get tearing and all kind of BS in SageTV
my colors are so far off otherwise I would try to use VMR7 or overaly again
but do not understand why they will not invest anytime to fixing VMR9
I just need to send them an email ask WTF
is linux supports suppose to fix my playback issues that sagetv has
cause other apps that use vmr9 and have osd work just fine

EDIT: I am planning to rebuild my OS again but am waiting to see if I need to buy MCE or if SageTV is going to fix this

[edgley]

I should also point out, that this is a fresh XP install.
Before I did that, I was suffering from the too loud sound PAL problem, and that went away.
Also Sage would crash 4-5 times a week, and that too has gone away.
I had zoomplayer problems, those too went with the new install.

However much it hurts, I'd have a go re-installing first.
That will keep you busy on a Sunday afternoon

[mlbdude]

From what Frey says it appears they are doing everything that MCE is EXCEPT running in full screen mode. All that last part does though is reduce CPU usage.

I know it sounds bad but I am REALY happy to have waited on buying a 6600. This and other threads have saved me lots of $$$. Hopefully nVidia will fix their drivers so that it can perform better in VMR9 in general. It looks like they have them so to only work one way. Since ATI can work any way you would think the competition alone would pressure them to fix it.

[kny3twalker]

so that is why there renderless VMR9 does not act like others
I should have figured that out on my own
but it seems though that there must be more than just this

is there a reason they refused to run it without it?

I am guessing but if they added this
it would act more like nstant media
I have perfect playback with nstant media
and did do one thing earlier to help
I increased the num buffers cause I would having trouble getting a video to start up correctly
this did help but I still get microstutter

well hopefully sagetv adds this at least as an option if thats possible
cause other than during configuration I am always full screen
and hopefully nvidia will release some real drivers

[mlbdude]

I would love to hear some experiences from 6600 users using component out. Are you able to get tear free playback from players like SageTV or ZoomPlayer?

[kny3twalker]

no this is a DVI issue
read this
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=492984

apparently if SageTV does not add full renderless VMR9 as specified by M$
then I will be switching
cause I would have to assume he meant that full screen exclusive mode is needed
(BeyondTV uses this execlusive full screen mode I wonder why they are not running renderless VMR9 or are they?)
but my choose would be MCE anyway
I have yet to burn anything on to DVD so no biggie for me with current DRM

[mlbdude]

You could alwasy try a different video card if you have one. Didn't you used to have a 9600XT?

[edgley]

Does this mean I am just lucky not to have tearing with ZP and Sage?

[kny3twalker]

no sold it but I am sure I could get it back easily as my friend's mobo died and he needs to RMA it
so he is not using it
I wil ask but it still be dvi not component
hows your luck like that with ATI?

and yeah consider yourself lucky, ed
what kind of CPU are you running ?
that could be the difference

[mlbdude]

With ATI I would recommend going with the component dongle. It is much more user friendly.

I actually upgraded from my 9600 non-pro to a nVidia 5700 a year ago to get better VMR9 performance. Somewhere allong the way I guess ATI did something with the drivers. Now with the 9600 I get no tearing in ZP or Sage.

[kny3twalker]

well I am sure if SageTV followed M$ designed renderless VMR9
this discussion would not be happening

[mlbdude]

Yeah but that is pretty crappy for nVidia to say you have to use VMR9 this way to work with our card. I think nVidia should be ashamed of themselves for the current state of their drivers on this issue.

[kny3twalker]

very true
I can agree with that 100% but
SageTV needs to take responsibility for their their playback issues and add the support
it should not be oh you are using DVI well overlay and VMR& should work
it should be oh geforce 2 will not do VMR9 try using overlay or VMR7 or ... update your video card
just like in video games
when people say why won't my geforce2 play doom 3
you say update yuor video card but you do not say you need a brand new video card or processor when other compatible products work fine
if Doom 3 plays fine, hl2 should play fine and so on

SageTV just needs to take on this
TheaterTek is working on support currently
if I even knew sageTV planned to add this
I would be a lot more happy ( and not the studio add this, I mean top of list maybe included with beta 3.0 Sage Media Center)

[edgley]

My CPU is a 2.4

So how come when I am using ZP and ffdshow and the CPU is maxing out, I still dont get any tearing?