MPEG 2 editing software ... this is the best

[Gem]n[]

Hi guys,

I'm fussy when it comes to doing soemthing properly and so I'd thought I'd pass this on ...

Been playing with Pegasus TMPGEnc MPEG Editor 1.0.1.59 ... and it is brilliant. Ideal for getting rid of comercials etc. I have tried loads of other programs ... Womble ... VideoRedo ... etc. but they just don't cut it and the quality is not up to the original aource.

TMPGEnc MPEG Editor only renders/encodes the joins or cuts you have made. It has Smart Rendering included. The output quality is the same as the input quality and it is fast ... precise ... and ... well I won't go on ...

Check it out ...

http://www.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/tme_feature.html

I can't do without it ...

cheers

Gem

[heffe2001]

From my understanding, it's impossible or Videoredo to not have the same quality as the source, since all it does is cut out bits of the stream, leaving the stuff you don't cut exactly as it was??

Don't know about womble, haven't used it, but Videoredo has always worked great. the TMPG stuff used to be sloooooow, have they improved the speed any?

[sudipto]

Gem]n[ : I am really surprised that you found Womble unusable. For simple things like removing commercials, I don't know anything that can beat it. The output quality is EXACTLY the same as input quality because Womble does NOT re-encode the MPEG2 stream; that's right, absolutely ZERO re-encoding !

I am talking about Womble MPEG2VCR (ver 3.14 to be precise). Don't know if the new Womble product (MPEG Video Wizard) is as good, but I doubt if anything else can beat the speed and quality of MPEG2VCR.

[Cayars]

Check out VideoReDo then and it'll convert you over. It works about as fast as just copying the file. It converted me away from Womble.

[White94Cobra]

Same here... used Womble for years. Tried VideoReDo once and bought it immediately. Haven't looked back sense. I can edit out commercials in a 1 hour show in about 1-2 minutes using just the keyboard - saving the modified file takes about 2 minutes.

[Gem]n[]

Hi guys,

Yeah I hear you all ...

I didn't mean to sound like I was 'dissin' the other apps I should've said that it was now my preffered proggy for editing ...

Yes it is as quick as the others with exactly the same quality as the original it too does not re-encode (but it can also re-encode at a different rate) ...

As i said I did try the other apps but I found that at the point of cutting & pasting they weren't as good because I noticed a skip/jump at those points ... also the others do NOT render the joins like TMPGEnc does ... when you chop up any video file the beginning & end of the GOP (chunk) needs to be rewritten (basically it re-creates compatible file headers of the MPEG files) ...

I personally think the layout is better too for selecting the frames etc ... It could just be my setup though but it works fine for me ... ... and I am a fussy sod ...

cheers

Gem

[Cayars]

Gem, the partial re-encode of frames cut is an option in VDR. If you only briefly looked at it you'll miss out on a lot of functionality in it. It can do a lot of things including writing directly to VOB files and things that aren't apparent at first glance.

[Gem]n[]

I'll have another look then ...

I currently have 1.6.2.284 ... better go a hunting ...

God you're a persuasive lot ... but I bet none of you have tried the MPEG Editor app though ...

cheers

Gem

[ToonGal]

Originally Posted by 'Gem

God you're a persuasive lot ... but I bet none of you have tried the MPEG Editor app though ...

Bad bet...

I've tried TMPGEnc and like it well enough. I, like sudipto, use Womble, although I use MPEG Video Wizard, for simple editing. Probably worth trying VideoReDo as well though. Each tool has its own strengths / weaknesses.

[Cayars]

Nope, no weaknesses in VDR.

[sudipto]

I must agree with Gem that you guys are indeed very persuasive As happy as I am with Womble MPEG2VCR, I am always up for trying out a better app ... so now I am off to trying out VideoReDo.

I am hoping that they offer a trial version ...

[Cayars]

They do but it will cut off your video files at 30 minutes. Should be fine to playing with 1/2 hour shows however as cutting the commercials out will put you under the 30 miute mark.

[sudipto]

Thanks for the info, Cayars ! Yes, that should be enough for trying it out and making sure if it meets my needs. Actually it needs to surpass MPEG2VCR in both ease and speed for me to justify spending another $50

[rich_l]

Check out VideoReDo then and it'll convert you over. It works about as fast as just copying the file. It converted me away from Womble.

That could be debated. Womble was about 15 seconds faster in clipping commercials than redo was. Ill try it with a few more shows, but i bet it is about even. It is really nice using the comskip feature to mark the commercials. That is almost worth switching from womble, but i still have to go in and edit them so it takes the same amount of time.

Either way, each is really easy to use and the quality is the same.

[bebanovich]

Am I the only one who thinks these apps are hellaciously expensive for what they do? I don't want to sound too much like my grandpa, who stopped buying root beer when the price went over a nickel, but I can't begin to justify (to myself, let alone my wife) shaking the dust off the wallet for this kind of purchase.

My DVD burner was about the same price and came with software that I really like . . . together the combo has been flawless, albeit no speed records are being set. I could get 120GB drive for $49 . . . heck, my mobo and processor was only $49. Look how much Cayars does and it's free (I'm going to have to shake something loose from my wallet for this, however, to keep my conscience clear).

Being cheap is nothing to brag about, but i just can't wrap my head around the cost to value ratio here. This is probably just a sign of semi-early-onset curmudgeonliness.

[sudipto]

No you are not alone in thinking that these apps are too expensive I too think that the prices are a little bit steep. Something in the $25-30 range would probably make more sense.

However, given that the other free/bundled software that I tried didn't meet my need (either throws audio/video off sync or is too slow and/or bad quality) whereas Womble works like a charm everytime, I can probably justify the investment.

[Rem]

I too am a Womble convert to VideoRedo, it's just too slick. I especially like the ability to scroll frame by frame, forward and reverse, using the mouse scroll wheel.

[Wheemer]

I too agree that VideoRedo is over priced... But the same could be said for a lot of software packages. Considering there is no materials cost involved with software, you'd think the developers would be more interested in more sales. Any way you look at it there's no justification for spending 50 dollars to edit your videos.

[rich_l]

I can justify the cost, at least for myself.

This program has kept me from purchasing an additional hard drive, twice. Commercials are roughly 1/3 the overall file size. If you keep a season, lets say 15 shows for simplicity, that would be an extra 5 episodes you could save in the same amount of space. I love Good Eats and at ~120 episodes, thats quite a bit of space. (Xvid at 150 mb/show all fit in less than 17gb)

I purchased a 250gb drive thinking it would be the last i would need. Then i learned how to divx my movies and i liked doing that instead of keeping the cases around. The space went fast and cutting commercials made a lot more sense. Now, with divx/xvid, i may only need this 250gb drive.

The other justification is my parents did not have sci fi channel even though we bought the same cable package from the same provider, but in different cities. When i would go home, i would bring a dvd of stargate to watch with them. (again, 4 episodes per disc without commercials using dvd extended play, with commercials its ~3 episodes) Not having to watch commercials completely sold them on sage tv and what you can do with it. (I started doing that before comm skip) They dont have a sage computer, but will in the future when they actually retire.

I think owning one of the programs is worthwhile, but not both. They each have the same options. You can move frame by frame in womble, just use the arrow keys. Does video redo have batch mode? I think my trial ran out. :-)

[JasonJoel]

There is plenty of justification. If people are willing to pay that price (and people are) then there you go... Maybe they would sell more at a cheaper price. But that doesn't guarantee that they would sell enough to offset the cost reduction.

If you don't think it is worth $50, don't buy it. Although I wish it were cheaper, I don't have a huge issue paying $50 for a tool I use a lot.

And the fact there is no materials cost is rather irrelevant in my opinion. So more goes to the author; GOOD.

Jason Bottjen

Originally Posted by Wheemer

I too agree that VideoRedo is over priced... But the same could be said for a lot of software packages. Considering there is no materials cost involved with software, you'd think the developers would be more interested in more sales. Any way you look at it there's no justification for spending 50 dollars to edit your videos.