Intelligent Recordings "enabled"

[snoopy]

Intelligent recordings have been enabled but SageTV has been running half a day and nothing is being recorded until the next sheduled favorite. Is that because SageTV has not had time to figure out what I like? I now TiVo pretty much recorded constantly. Should it take a few days for IR to take hold and start recording stuff?

[JUC]

so you've checked the upcoming recordings list and nothing other than favorites are listed? If that's the case I would just wait a bit and see if it populates. How many favorites do you have?
JUC

[snoopy]

33 Currently

[Crashless]

IIRC, it's slow to start, but then really picks up speed.

[snoopy]

Cool, thanks Crashless. One hears alot about you around these parts. Thanks for your help.

[Crashless]

Originally Posted by snoopy

Cool, thanks Crashless. One hears alot about you around these parts. Thanks for your help.

Let's just say that my day-job hasn't been as stimulating as my hobby lately.

[snoopy]

Originally Posted by Crashless

Let's just say that my day-job hasn't been as stimulating as my hobby lately.

I can relate

Have a bag of popcorn

[Kanati]

I now TiVo pretty much recorded constantly. Should it take a few days for IR to take hold and start recording stuff?

Believe me, once it starts you'll only WISH you could stop it.

It will record things tivo would never EVER have. And when you tell it "no, I've already seen that" or "I don't like it" in the upcoming recordings list it'll take about 1 minute and go update and populate that time slot with something ELSE you didn't want to watch either. I spend about 20 minutes a day running through my upcoming recordings list and filtering out crap that it wants to record (and never do get a completely satisfactory list).

[deadtoaster2]

Originally Posted by Kanati

I spend about 20 minutes a day running through my upcoming recordings list and filtering out crap that it wants to record (and never do get a completely satisfactory list).

Can you see how they are related to what you like to watch or are they usually random shows of all different types?

[Crashless]

If you look hard enough, you can usually figure out why it recorded it. Whether it's an actor in another show you watched or a genre, I've always seen a connection. It's just that sometimes you have to scroll WAY down the list to figure it out.

I've judiciously used my don't like button, and make sure to go back and clear the watched flags on shows I don't like. You see, Sage treats a completely watched show as a 'like'. So if anywhere in your viewing history you've watched that show, it will keep poping up. There are STVs out there that make clearing entire series' watched flags easy.

[nielm]

Originally Posted by Crashless

There are STVs out there that make clearing entire series' watched flags easy.

Or the stv-independant webserver (plug!)

[jominor]

Originally Posted by Kanati

Believe me, once it starts you'll only WISH you could stop it.

It will record things tivo would never EVER have. And when you tell it "no, I've already seen that" or "I don't like it" in the upcoming recordings list it'll take about 1 minute and go update and populate that time slot with something ELSE you didn't want to watch either. I spend about 20 minutes a day running through my upcoming recordings list and filtering out crap that it wants to record (and never do get a completely satisfactory list).

The IR needs to learn what you like. It will, appropriately so in my opinion, take random guesses. Some will be correct. Some will not. I don't spend 20 minutes a day setting IR and I am satisfied with its operation.

Go for it!

[Kanati]

Can you see how they are related to what you like to watch or are they usually random shows of all different types?

Usually, now that it's getting somewhat trained after a few months, it's somewhat related to my viewing habits. But I've done a bit of experimenting too and sat there for a four hour block that I knew there was nothing on I wanted to watch and continually told it "don't like" or "watched" in the upcoming recordings schedule... And once it ran out of things that it thought I would like it was like a crack-addicted obsessive-compulsive and just started randomly picking things to record; home shopping network, cspan, cnn, oprah... and other things that I have NEVER watched, NEVER liked, and 100% of the time hit "don't like" when sage records it.

MediaPortal looks like it has everything BUT an intelligent recording option... But since it's all open source, and in C#.............. I'm giving serious consideration to making it myself based on the best option for intelligent recording right now. Tivo's Suggestions.

[Crashless]

The reasons Tivo's suggestions seem so good is because they're actual human recommendations. I believe they pay people to watch shows and find similar shows. Then when your Tivo upload's what you've watched lately, it will cross refrence what you've watched with their suggestions database, and tell your Tivo things you might like.

I find that SageTV's is superior for a number of reasons - first privacy, your Sage box will never upload it's statistics to corperate database.

second, it ISN'T tied to human recommendations, and I think that makes it free to add whatever it wants. Kanti, it sounds like you 'over trained' Sage. You know that it won't record shows you've watched, right? So by setting shows 'watched' that you haven't recorded or watched yet, your Sage box will never record them for you.

I find the best way to use the IR, is to NOT use the IR. If that makes any sense. I watch shows that look interesting, if I like them, I leave it alone and let it set watched. If it gets a chance to record it again, it will, if not, I most likely won't care. If I really like it, I'll add it to my favorites, and it will go out of it's way to record them. If I don't like it, I make sure the watched flag _doesn't_ get set, and I set don't like.

As long as I remember to clear the watched flag, Sage usually behaves itself.

I do think however, there should be a 'blacklist' or something. That way you can tell sage to NEVER RECORD THAT SHOW AGAIN OR I WILL FORMAT YOUR HARD DRIVE. or something like that.

[Kanati]

I find that SageTV's is superior for a number of reasons - first privacy, your Sage box will never upload it's statistics to corperate database.

Why on earth would you care?? Do I care if someone 1000 miles away knows I watch porn 24 hours a day? um... err... I mean discovery channel 24 hours a day? No. If it helps give a better determination of what I might want to watch via the suggestions, I say upload away! Twice as often!

I think that makes it free to add whatever it wants. Kanti, it sounds like you 'over trained' Sage. You know that it won't record shows you've watched, right? So by setting shows 'watched' that you haven't recorded or watched yet, your Sage box will never record them for you.

I understand this. And it was for the sake of science... And it's also in the "off-season" so I've seen all the shows I wanted to see (series anyway) while doing those tests. And of course there's always the manual recordings.

I do think however, there should be a 'blacklist' or something. That way you can tell sage to NEVER RECORD THAT SHOW AGAIN OR I WILL FORMAT YOUR HARD DRIVE. or something like that.

DEFINITELY.

Frankly, if 3.0 (should it come out in my lifetime) doesn't clean up some of the glitches and hangups and shortcomings of sage (and give us a freakin API so we can add to sage ourselves) I'll be moving on anyway. Myth definitely has a much better intelligent recording system with a -10 to 10 sliding scale of like and dislike and there are other options including mediaportal that have better looking interfaces, API's we can use to add our own plug-ins, etc. In other words, sage is starting to look quite dated and weak as it stands right now.

[jominor]

Originally Posted by Kanati

Why on earth would you care?? Do I care if someone 1000 miles away knows I watch porn 24 hours a day? um... err... I mean discovery channel 24 hours a day? No. If it helps give a better determination of what I might want to watch via the suggestions, I say upload away! Twice as often!



I understand this. And it was for the sake of science... And it's also in the "off-season" so I've seen all the shows I wanted to see (series anyway) while doing those tests. And of course there's always the manual recordings.



DEFINITELY.

Frankly, if 3.0 (should it come out in my lifetime) doesn't clean up some of the glitches and hangups and shortcomings of sage (and give us a freakin API so we can add to sage ourselves) I'll be moving on anyway. Myth definitely has a much better intelligent recording system with a -10 to 10 sliding scale of like and dislike and there are other options including mediaportal that have better looking interfaces, API's we can use to add our own plug-ins, etc. In other words, sage is starting to look quite dated and weak as it stands right now.

Geez, so use it already! Why do you keep torturing yourself? Myth only works on Linux and Linux doesn't support a wide range of hardware. If the only thing Myth's IR has is a scale, then that is a poor solution just as Tivo's active interaction sounds equally poor.

[Kanati]

if you haven't used tivo's suggestions you can't comment... it's the bar by which all should be judged. And I've tested all that I've come across thus far.

I purchased sage because right now it seems to be the best all around... Myth has more features and looks like it's the better app... But setting it up is a nightmare. gbpvr and btv have prettier interfaces but lack in other areas... so on and so on. The one I've seen that looks promising now is mediaportal. I've already downloaded their source from cvs and am looking at the code for the guide right now to find out just how difficult it will be to add intelligent recording to it. Until that happens or someone else passes sage for the "all around" title, I'll stay right here thank you...