Timeline/FF/RW Hockey

[Polypro]

Well, what I thought was fixed, isn't. Rangers/Senators game tonight exhibited what I and others have seen before...Timeline moving in 2-4 second increments, FF/RW jumps all around the file, file ends at end of 1st period. I noticed it in 4.1.14, so I reverted to 4.1.12, but it still happened. The file was recorded with 4.1.12, which has recorded and played other games just fine...don't know what causes these random bad recordings. The file plays fine in Media Player Classic.

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[Narflex]

Hold onto that file and submit a bug report, we'll figure this one out with you: http://sagetv.com/bugs.html

[Polypro]

Jeff,

Too late for last nights file, but I uploaded a full game that had the same behavior, to your FTP about 3 weeks ago. It's titled NHLRangersBruins. One of your beta people has all the emails/logs that went along with it.

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[joe123]

Originally Posted by Polypro

Well, what I thought was fixed, isn't. Rangers/Senators game tonight exhibited what I and others have seen before...Timeline moving in 2-4 second increments, FF/RW jumps all around the file, file ends at end of 1st period. I noticed it in 4.1.14, so I reverted to 4.1.12, but it still happened. The file was recorded with 4.1.12, which has recorded and played other games just fine...don't know what causes these random bad recordings. The file plays fine in Media Player Classic.

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I've been having the same problem for the past several beta releases. Every new beta makes the behavior somewhat different, but basically the same problem.

Now, It is a little worse in my opinion.

[henk99]

Originally Posted by Polypro

Jeff,

Too late for last nights file, but I uploaded a full game that had the same behavior, to your FTP about 3 weeks ago. It's titled NHLRangersBruins. One of your beta people has all the emails/logs that went along with it.

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I have also sent a recording and a bunch of logs. Hopefully this gets some more attention now, as it has been there for a looooooot of releases.
I can understand other things might be more important to you guys at Sagetv. However, i have complained about this issue quite a few times (and yes, also submitted report). It would be good to get this solved.

I remember from the e-mailing back then, that it had something to do with some engine resetting the timeline. The files, for some reason, play fine on other mediaplayers like WMP, and Powerdvd.

Henk

[jptaz]

I have had thiss issue too.

I get this issue or a similar one on ABC alot. If I do not fastforward qucikly enough at a commercial break it jumps to the end of the timeline and stops playbak...If I rewind and make sure not to hit the commercial sgment change it plays back fine. I suspect that the time flags in the stream at commercial breaks are not good and confuse the SageTV Demux. It seems to me that SageTV needs to do a better job of handling bad time sync codes or correct them as videos are being recorded.

The other night I recored Bones in HD and it is unplayable in SageTV, but it is playable in WMP 10(Pure Video Decoder) and NVDVD 2.55(on another client). It takes about 5 to 10 minutes for both of those to load the file for playback, but once they load I can fastforward and rewind via the slider bar without an issue.

John

[pawn]

Can you guys be more specific on this problem? It may be similar to one I've noticed for a while. Basically, sometimes for large files (movies or like you say, a hockey game), if I hit fast forward for a commercial, especially after pausing for a bathroom break, etc., playback jumps right to the end of file (i.e., live playback). Sometimes the progress bar still indicates playback where it should be. I've had quite a few movies and sports events ruined over this.

[Wade]

I too have had issues with a few (by no means all) recordings timeline advancing at an increased rate.

At first, they were advancing at 3 to 4 second intervals, but I can't remember with which release it started. With 4.1.13, it appeared to jump up to 4 to 5 seconds. With 4.1.14 playing a 'bad' recording done by 4.1.13, the timeline advanced by 10 to 11 seconds per second of play. As you could imagine, FF/REW while playing these files didn't work, and oftentimes the playback would freeze up.

Now. These 'bad' recordings could be played with Media Player Classic, at least to my untrained eye, correctly.

My observations on when these 'bad' recordings occur are as follows. I have two Hauppauge 150s and both are recording different shows at the same time. I begin to watch one of the shows while it is still recording (typically about 20 minutes after it starts). Everything appears to be working normally until the first commercial break when I hit the FF button, that's when things go haywire. At that point, both recordings timeline become 'bad'. If I record two shows at the same time but don't open the client until they are finished, both shows appear to record normally.

I am using vanilla Sage, no plugins or customizations.

[joe123]

Originally Posted by pawn

Can you guys be more specific on this problem? It may be similar to one I've noticed for a while. Basically, sometimes for large files (movies or like you say, a hockey game), if I hit fast forward for a commercial, especially after pausing for a bathroom break, etc., playback jumps right to the end of file (i.e., live playback). Sometimes the progress bar still indicates playback where it should be. I've had quite a few movies and sports events ruined over this.

Yes, I posted before that I see this with large files (movies). When a commercial comes, I hit FF and it freaks out. I get the end of the movie, or sometimes it loops with FF/REW or it goes all over the place. Get's worse if I speed up FF for example.

I was one of the first to POST this problem when nobody else was having it, so I am very happy to see more and more coming forward with it so that it will become important enough to correct the bug that was introduced.

I have 2 WinTV 150 PVRs. Updating to the latest drivers broke other things. So I gave up on that route.

[sabre]

This bug really ruined the Sabs/Flyers 2 OT game for me last night. Argghhh.

[Polypro]

Lemme guess...you FF'd through the first intermission and ended up seeing the final score?...had that happen a few times myself. They'll fix it.

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[sabre]

For tonight's game, i am setting up 3 timed recording segments of 1.5 hours each (the last one xtra in case OT). bit of a pain but if shorter files do not see this bug, i hope it will work.

[henk99]

Originally Posted by Wade

I too have had issues with a few (by no means all) recordings timeline advancing at an increased rate.

At first, they were advancing at 3 to 4 second intervals, but I can't remember with which release it started. With 4.1.13, it appeared to jump up to 4 to 5 seconds. With 4.1.14 playing a 'bad' recording done by 4.1.13, the timeline advanced by 10 to 11 seconds per second of play. As you could imagine, FF/REW while playing these files didn't work, and oftentimes the playback would freeze up.

Now. These 'bad' recordings could be played with Media Player Classic, at least to my untrained eye, correctly.

My observations on when these 'bad' recordings occur are as follows. I have two Hauppauge 150s and both are recording different shows at the same time. I begin to watch one of the shows while it is still recording (typically about 20 minutes after it starts). Everything appears to be working normally until the first commercial break when I hit the FF button, that's when things go haywire. At that point, both recordings timeline become 'bad'. If I record two shows at the same time but don't open the client until they are finished, both shows appear to record normally.

I am using vanilla Sage, no plugins or customizations.

Wade my man A very good description of the problem. I have the same setup (2 PVR 150's) and appear to get this problem the same way, when recording and the skipping through a commercial while still recording. Looks very very familiar. I just wasn't able to analyse it like the way you did

[Polypro]

I'm almost positive that I've had this behavior on completely recorded games...we'll see tonight.

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[sabre]

Please tell me this was fixed on v5. Another miserable night recording hockey last night. I imagine it is fixed in v5 because there is no way that Sage can go out with a final product that does not even properly do the most basic functions that a PVR should do - pause, FF and rew shows.

And I can confirm that this does not only happen when recording and watching the show at the same time, but also on shows that have finished recording. Perhaps it may [have] been something w/ the way Sage records b/c i played the mpg in WMP and it acted strange too, but not as bad.

[mike_15]

I have the same issue with the timeline messing up. It is common for me to see it in Hockey Games, but I won't be watching any more hockey this year, my team stinks. (maybe next year). I also noticed it when watching longer movies.

I did notice that if the video stops before it should end, I select it to go to liveTV and press play again. It will continue playing but pressing FF/RW after that it restarts to the erronous end of video. If I really want to watch it I end up loading the MPG file with my DVD software.
I had submitted a bug report some time ago, began trying to troubleshoot. but I don't get the time to sit there without my wife wanting to watch tv with me, instead of me troubleshooting a problem she doesn't see. (she doesnt watch hockey on TV, only live). I am glad that other people have the same problem, hopefully their efforts are able to get it resolved.
I thought I fixed it, but it was only temporary. http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13965

Thanks to all of you who are working on this.

I am patiently hoping that it is resloved before Football and Hockey next season.

[mike_15]

I have the issue both when I watch while recording and if I begin watching a fully recorded show from the day before.

[Polypro]

Last nights game recorded and played fine with 4.1.14 (the first one I've had), so lets see how 5.0 does. (This thing is so random, who knows).

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[ben_95sl1]

Have you guys tried different drivers? A friend had the same problems with his pvr150. Ever since I reverted him back to an older driver that I've been using problem free (months ago), that sort of behaviour completely stopped.

[Narflex]

So are all of the files that exhibit this problem 4,294,967,295 bytes in size? The one test file we got from polypro was. It was hitting a bug in the code that checked for 0xFFFFFFFF for the invalid file size error return code (and 0xffffff == 4,294,967,295) There'll be a fix in the next build for this. If you want to test it now, just send an email to betatest.