Watching a recording before it's finished

[crarbo1]

Hello,
I hope this is the correct location for this. I'm not sure if this is a SageMC issue or SageTV issue. Anyway, I like to let a recording of mine start for a while before I start watching it but when I select watch from the recordings section it starts at the current "live tv" part of the recording and I then have to rewind back to the begining. This is not ideal, especially for sports when you don't want to know the score. Anyway, is there a way to resolve this issue?

Thanks,
Chuck

[gplasky]

In SageMC hit the Stop button on your remote. Then choose Restart video from the dialog box that comes up.

Gerry

[Opus4]

Originally Posted by crarbo1

I hope this is the correct location for this. I'm not sure if this is a SageMC issue or SageTV issue.

To answer this & another question of yours about where to post: since you are using SageMC, yes, this is the correct forum to post in for any issue, unless you can reproduce an issue in the default STV w/o any customizations active.

I think SageMC is still using older STV code that jumps to the current time for currently-recording shows.

The default STV jumps to 'live' playback only if you chose to watch live TV, though there may still be some recording formats that don't seek to the beginning properly if playback is started while the show is still recording.

- Andy

[MeInMaui]

Andy,

Is there any particular place that would be best to look in the default STV to see the new code?

Aloha,
Mike

[Opus4]

Originally Posted by MeInMaui

Is there any particular place that would be best to look in the default STV to see the new code?

I can't remember if the OSD menu used to seek to the current time if the show is currently recording, or whether the core just didn't seek to the start time properly. But, a long time ago, the default STV started using "Seek(Time())" only if it needed to seek to the current time, which was only true when the Live TV command was used to initiate playback.

So... to shorten this story, search for the "NeedCurrentTimeSeek" variable to see where it is used in the "MediaPlayer OSD" menu and after the Live TV command is used. (I just can't remember if there was code removed that used to seek to the current time for any live TV playback.)

And, while testing this: see this post, where I mention a bug where live recordings aren't seeking to the proper start location in the core when playback starts on a currently recording file w/o using the live TV command. You'll see that it tried to seek to the beginning if a single REW jumps all the way back to the start.

- Andy

[MeInMaui]

Thanks Andy. I'll check it out.

Aloha,
Mike

[crarbo1]

Thanks for the info. I will try that out shortly and post the results.

Originally Posted by gplasky

In SageMC hit the Stop button on your remote. Then choose Restart video from the dialog box that comes up.

Gerry

I thought it was the right place but I never checked the default to see if it was there or not since the wife does not want to use that STV. I guess from now on, I will check them both so I can give a better idea of where the issue is.

Thanks,
Chuck

Originally Posted by Opus4

To answer this & another question of yours about where to post: since you are using SageMC, yes, this is the correct forum to post in for any issue, unless you can reproduce an issue in the default STV w/o any customizations active.

I think SageMC is still using older STV code that jumps to the current time for currently-recording shows.

The default STV jumps to 'live' playback only if you chose to watch live TV, though there may still be some recording formats that don't seek to the beginning properly if playback is started while the show is still recording.

- Andy

[MeInMaui]

Originally Posted by Opus4

I can't remember if the OSD menu used to seek to the current time if the show is currently recording, or whether the core just didn't seek to the start time properly. But, a long time ago, the default STV started using "Seek(Time())" only if it needed to seek to the current time, which was only true when the Live TV command was used to initiate playback.

So... to shorten this story, search for the "NeedCurrentTimeSeek" variable to see where it is used in the "MediaPlayer OSD" menu and after the Live TV command is used. (I just can't remember if there was code removed that used to seek to the current time for any live TV playback.)

Hi Andy,

I checked and SageMC already has this code incorporated. It even uses the same "NeedCurrentTimeSeek" variable. Thanks.

Aloha,
Mike

[crarbo1]

So if I understand you and Andy right, since SageMC has the new code incorporated I shouldn't be having my issue when I hit watch it goes to the current location if the show hasn't finished recording? It doesn't appear to be doing this all of the time. I can't nail down exactly when but it was doing it some over the weekend when I was trying to watch some football games that were still recording, then I saw the score for the current time and had to rewind back to the begining.

Thanks,
Chuck

Originally Posted by MeInMaui

Hi Andy,

I checked and SageMC already has this code incorporated. It even uses the same "NeedCurrentTimeSeek" variable. Thanks.

Aloha,
Mike

[MeInMaui]

Originally Posted by crarbo1

So if I understand you and Andy right, since SageMC has the new code incorporated I shouldn't be having my issue when I hit watch it goes to the current location if the show hasn't finished recording? It doesn't appear to be doing this all of the time. I can't nail down exactly when but it was doing it some over the weekend when I was trying to watch some football games that were still recording, then I saw the score for the current time and had to rewind back to the begining.

Thanks,
Chuck

Don't get me wrong, I'm not denying that you are having the problem. If you are able figure out how to reproduce it reliably, please let me know. In the mean time I'll try to reproduce it on my system as well. I almost never watch live TV, so it could be there and I just never noticed. If we can track it down, I'll try to get it fixed.

Aloha,
Mike

[Opus4]

Originally Posted by MeInMaui

I checked and SageMC already has this code incorporated. It even uses the same "NeedCurrentTimeSeek" variable. Thanks.

That's good to know -- it must have been a long time since this came up because the last time I looked into & tried to reproduce the issue, it worked in the default STV & it turned out the person was using SageMC... w/o mentioning that part to me at first.

Originally Posted by crarbo1

So if I understand you and Andy right, since SageMC has the new code incorporated I shouldn't be having my issue when I hit watch it goes to the current location if the show hasn't finished recording? It doesn't appear to be doing this all of the time.

See the link in one of my posts above; it turns out that there is a bug in the core that has already been fixed for the next release. I wasn't aware that SageMC had already implemented the change to seek to the current time only for live TV, so I initially thought you were running into that.

There isn't a whole lot you can do until the next release except hit REW after playback starts -- a single use of REW may rewind all the way to the beginning in this situation. And, no, I don't know when the next release will be.

If it still happens after the next SageTV release, then there might be something else for the SageMC developers to look into, but I don't think they need to do anything for now.

- Andy

[crarbo1]

Mike,
I wasn't insinuating that you didn't believe me. I was just trying to understand what everyone was saying. Sometimes the way I read things may be different than what was intended.
Thanks,
Chuck

Originally Posted by MeInMaui

Don't get me wrong, I'm not denying that you are having the problem. If you are able figure out how to reproduce it reliably, please let me know. In the mean time I'll try to reproduce it on my system as well. I almost never watch live TV, so it could be there and I just never noticed. If we can track it down, I'll try to get it fixed.

Aloha,
Mike

Andy,
Thanks for the update. I'm glad I'm not loosing my mind. I will live with it until the next update.
Thanks,
Chuck

Originally Posted by Opus4

That's good to know -- it must have been a long time since this came up because the last time I looked into & tried to reproduce the issue, it worked in the default STV & it turned out the person was using SageMC... w/o mentioning that part to me at first.

See the link in one of my posts above; it turns out that there is a bug in the core that has already been fixed for the next release. I wasn't aware that SageMC had already implemented the change to seek to the current time only for live TV, so I initially thought you were running into that.

There isn't a whole lot you can do until the next release except hit REW after playback starts -- a single use of REW may rewind all the way to the beginning in this situation. And, no, I don't know when the next release will be.

If it still happens after the next SageTV release, then there might be something else for the SageMC developers to look into, but I don't think they need to do anything for now.

- Andy

[taylormadearmy]

Originally Posted by Opus4

There isn't a whole lot you can do until the next release except hit REW after playback starts -- a single use of REW may rewind all the way to the beginning in this situation. And, no, I don't know when the next release will be.

- Andy

Just checking - is this still a known issue with SageTV version 6.4.8 and SageMC 6.3.8?

Thanks!
T

[MeInMaui]

Originally Posted by taylormadearmy

Just checking - is this still a known issue with SageTV version 6.4.8 and SageMC 6.3.8?

Thanks!
T

I have tried to reproduce this problem and it has worked correctly for me every time.

Aloha,
Mike

[Opus4]

In the beta forum, there's a Demux Beta that might help.

- Andy

[taylormadearmy]

Originally Posted by Opus4

In the beta forum, there's a Demux Beta that might help.

- Andy

I'm using extenders - so will this help? Assume if so I install the Demux filter on the SageTV Server?

Thanks as ever!
T