Frequency Trades?

[stryker]

Hi doc, yeah I get that. But when you have the same channel on different tuners and different channel numbers then when they are joined which channel number is choosen when its put in the epg? I suspect its the lowest one.

[doc]

Originally Posted by stryker

Hi doc, yeah I get that. But when you have the same channel on different tuners and different channel numbers then when they are joined which channel number is choosen when its put in the epg? I suspect its the lowest one.

Thats one thing I hadn't thought of.

I have all my channel numbers the same in each frq file, that way I don't have to worry.
BBC1 will be 101 in both and so on.
A channel thats only in one frq file will have a unique channel number.

I've attached my frq files so you can see.

[Bacon2002]

Hi,

I have registered with the suggested Wiki site and requested a new Wiki page for this subject.

No idea if it will be OK'ed?

Should it be OK'ed then we'll need to work out some process for updating or keeping a definative line up and corresponding XMLTV file for UK satelite and terrestrial digital TV.

Ta,

David

[StephaneM]

Originally Posted by doc

I THINK that any channels that have the same ID end up being then same channel in the final Sage lineup.

You think right. Channels with the same ID are the same one for SageTV and only one of them is presented in the EPG (SageTV will still be able to record on all them depending on tuner availability). The channel number displayed is the one attached to the channel SageTV choose to display.

Regards,
Stéphane.

[MCE-Refugee]

Originally Posted by ElGato

Here is a slightly updated .frq file now with SKY EPG numbering

ElGato, Thanks. Does this mean you are our obsessive volunteer:-)?

[stryker]

No need to rely on any one person burning themselves out updating channel data once we have the wiki, we can all add to it.

In fact we could do with a non-sky page on the wiki for any interresting eu channel worth listing.... not many I imagine

[stryker]

Originally Posted by StephaneM

You think right. Channels with the same ID are the same one for SageTV and only one of them is presented in the EPG (SageTV will still be able to record on all them depending on tuner availability). The channel number displayed is the one attached to the channel SageTV choose to display.

Regards,
Stéphane.

Yes but which channel number does it use? the lowest one?

I ask as the channels are ordered by number in the epg thus its important to know.

[ElGato]

Originally Posted by MCE-Refugee

ElGato, Thanks. Does this mean you are our obsessive volunteer:-)?

LOL, never thought of it as obsessive, although the missus might argue about the hours spent online, as for volunteer, yeah why not.

I am considering publishing the lineup using the Virgin numbering as well, although I was suprised to see they dont do the +1 ITV channels.

[StephaneM]

Originally Posted by stryker

Yes but which channel number does it use? the lowest one?

Not necessarily. I think SageTV use the channel number assigned to the channel bound to the first tuner (as displayed in the video sources list)

[Bacon2002]

Guys,

The man from Wiki he say, "yes......"

So errrrm what next, suggestions, please.

I should get a chance to have a look at the wiki stuff over the next few days and post some more details.

Out of interest can anyone update the wiki?

The address is as follows:-

http://sagetv.wikia.com/wiki/SageTV_...re_PC_Software

Very exciting.

Ta,

David

[MCE-Refugee]

Originally Posted by ElGato

LOL, never thought of it as obsessive, although the missus might argue about the hours spent online,

Likewise:-)

Originally Posted by ElGato

I am considering publishing the lineup using the Virgin numbering as well, although I was suprised to see they dont do the +1 ITV channels.

For many practical purposes the channel numbers are irrelevant it's all the tuning details that are important. However it does make sense to try & maintain some standard numbering system. By far the most comprehensive is the Sky lineup but that does have a few missing mst notably ITV HD. The Virgin or Freesat lineups are much more limited. There is the question of familiarity with the numbers for new users & the all important WAF. So if you have been used to Virgin or Freeview you may want to base your channel numbers on those. Then there is the issue of what to do when Sky or whoever has a rearrangement of the channel numbers. Do we follow that or do we stick with our 'standard'?

We do need to thrash out answers to these questions but perhaps this discussion is better continueed on the wiki?

[rickgillyon]

Originally Posted by MCE-Refugee

The Virgin or Freesat lineups are much more limited.

Is that true? There are a lot of channels on VM, but I don't have a direct comparison. Certainly we're missing most of the HD channels, but other than that are the lineups very different?

[stryker]

Yes I can edit the wiki, nice one.

As for the EPG order.... with these latest comments about sky has this but not that and virgin has this but not that...... I'm starting to wonder if we should have our own order?

The aim of epg is to have all the most popular channels listed first is it not? Could we not each fillout a channel list and assign each channel a value between 1-5, then we could total up the value for each channel and see how the order falls? I imagine a core set of channels would arise that had high values...... actually, if we did decide on our own order I'm not sure how we'd actually implement the decision as a group..... it has to be a simple method.

ALTERNATIVELY we could start simple.... just make a list of channels with all the info we need for the FRQ file.... then for now users could decide on their own channel numbers which lets face it they probably will anyway.

[ElGato]

Originally Posted by stryker

Yes I can edit the wiki, nice one.

As for the EPG order.... with these latest comments about sky has this but not that and virgin has this but not that...... I'm starting to wonder if we should have our own order?

SKY seem to have pretty much all of the channels, and I think you'll find ITV HD isnt on any epg as it's a service not a channel.

Originally Posted by stryker

ALTERNATIVELY we could start simple.... just make a list of channels with all the info we need for the FRQ file.... then for now users could decide on their own channel numbers which lets face it they probably will anyway.

This was briefly discussed and the thought was we'd just run into the same issues as SKY or Virgin and the like, ultimately there will be a channel you want to add that fits into a particular grouping but there will be no "free" number for it, what do you do add it to the end?

It was on this basis that it was considered we'd leave the hard work up to someone like SKY. How often do they change there numbering?

[jaminben]

Originally Posted by ElGato

I think you'll find ITV HD isnt on any epg as it's a service not a channel.

Its on my epg as a seperate channel via Digiguide

[ElGato]

Originally Posted by jaminben

Its on my epg as a seperate channel via Digiguide

It's on mine as well, on channel 144, directly after BBC HD, according to the SKY EPG numbering

[Bacon2002]

Hi guys,

The channel numbering issue. Can I just say "I told you so".

No doubt we could and probably will debate this subject forever however we probably want to get on and make a start.

Personally I vote for Sky.

Because:-

Its the most universaly known - I think there are probably more sky users/viewers than any other provider
Sky have nearly all the channels
It's easy to check the up to date sky numbers on the web
Its logical
My wife knows the numbers

So may be we should vote?

Thanks,

[ElGato]

SKY, for the same reasons

[rickgillyon]

I'll go on using the Virgin numbering for the same reasons you guys are using Sky. Not a biggie. The frequencies are totally different anyway.

[MCE-Refugee]

I too vote for Sky as being the most complete. Personally am also living about 1000km too far south to be a Virgin customer:-) In any case the it will be easy enough to change the channel numbers for your own personal requirements.