Closed Caption with HVR-1800??

[mpb]

I am unable to get Closed Captions on my Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-1800 cards recording from a SD source. I have a PVR-500 with extra AV card and "both" inputs capture/display Closed Captions. I am capturing SD from cable on all 4 tuners. It sounds like HVR-1800 ATSC/QAM and CC works, but I've found mixed reports in the forums that CC works or doesn't work with HVR-1800 (and HVR-1600) I'm only interested in SD (cable tuner or SVideo/RCA) When I run mpg2srt (v0.3), there is no CC data in the mpgs captured from the HVR-1800, but there is in the PVR-500 mpgs.

I've enable all related items I can find in the SageTV properties file:
captions_enable = true
captions_embedded_enable = true
cc_option_enabled = true

My recording quality is: BEST

I am running:
SageTV V6.4.8.184
JAVA version: 1.6.0.11
SageMC STV Version: 6.3.8a
SageMC.jar Version: 6.3.8
df_sageutil.jar Verison: 2.2

Hauppauge HVR-1800 driver:
09/08/2008 - 1.31.26252.0

Hauppauge PVR-500 driver:
02/06/2007 - 2.0.48.25037

Not sure if any of these settings will help, but here's what I've got. (Blue is current setting) I know VMR9 was the key to getting it to work on the PVR-500.

Video/Audio Settings
- Video Render
- Default Renderer
- Video Overlay Renderer
X DirectX9 Video Mixing Renderer (VMR9)
- MPEG2 Video Decoder Filter
X Default
- Cyberlink Video/SP Decoder
- SageTV MPEG Video Decoder
- MPEG4 Playback
X DirectShow
- SageTV Player
- Audio Renderer
X Default
- Cyberlink Audio Renderer
- Default DirectSound Device Renderer
- Default WaveOut Device Renderer
- DirectSound Realtek HD Audio Output
- MPEG2 Audio Decoder
X Default
- AC3 Filter
- Cyberlink Audio Decoder
- MPEG Audio Decoder
- SageTV MPEG Audio Decoder

If anyone has gotten Closed Caption to work with the HVR-1800 and a SD source, let me know what settings you are using or any other tips you might have to get mine working.

[mpb]

Well, Hauppauge has never gotten back to me about this. This forum post has also been surprisingly silent. Not a good sign.
Here's my own solution... I replaced the two HVR-1800s with a second PVR-500 with extra A/V cable.
It works great, as does the other PVR-500, and now all 4 inputs capture CC. I'm only using SD, so it's not much different than the two HVR-1800s. I won't need HD for a while. (probably when HD is the new SD and 4K is the new HD)

[SHS]

The solution is to use DVD compliant stream 10 see the HPquality.txt

[mpb]

Originally Posted by SHS

The solution is to use DVD compliant stream 10 see the HPquality.txt

Wow, never knew about HPquality.txt
I had to dig for that one. So the recording quality set to BEST doesn't help?

Where exactly do I put the outputstreamtype=10?

I don't have any:
mmc/python2_encoding/

I've got:
mmc/encoders/

should I write it as:
mmc/encoders/815125389/outputstreamtype=10

Also, I saw the audiobitrate value. I tried setting it to 192 for the PVR-500s:
mmc/encoders/551195576/audiobitrate=192

It didn't work, so I'm guessing the outputsteamtype set up this way wouldn't either.

Before I re-add the 1800 and get a bunch of extra lines in the sage.properties, could you explain the solution a bit further?
Thanks

[Opus4]

I do not know whether the HVR-1800 records CC in a format SageTV can use (only certain Hauppauge tuners do so & that one isn't on my list right now), but any analog tuner recording quality setting in Detailed setup -> Multimedia -> Recording Quality which says it is a DVD format already has the outputstreamtype=10 setting. (See Appendix K of the SageTV PDF manual for more CC info.)

BTW: there are custom recording quality examples in this FAQ:
SageTV only has a few recording qualities available, and I want to add more, is that even possible?

- Andy

[mpb]

Originally Posted by Opus4

any analog tuner recording quality setting in Detailed setup -> Multimedia -> Recording Quality which says it is a DVD format already has the outputstreamtype=10 setting.

I thought that was the case. All of my capture devices are set to "Best" which is a DVD format (MPG2/720x480/6mbps video/384kbps audio)
Just to make sure, I added the line:
mmc/python2_encoding/Best=outputstreamtype=10|audiobitrate=192
(I left the other settings to their default values)

This changes the audio bitrate recording on all to 192kbps like I wanted.
All of the HVR-500 inputs still capture and display CC.
The HVR-1800 still does not display CC nor does the MPG contain any data to extract a smi and srt file.

I'm fairly convinced that the HVR-1800 cannot capture Closed Caption.

Side note: I see I'll also have to add, videobitrate=6000. That was the previous "Best" default, but when the mmc/python2_encoding/Best= line is added, the video bitrate is changed to the 4000kbps default.

[SHS]

I have to ask Hauppauge why it longer working
I tested it and it not working like it use to

[mpb]

Originally Posted by SHS

I have to ask Hauppauge why it longer working
I tested it and it not working like it use to

Good luck. I emailed Hauppauge almost 3 weeks ago and never got a reply. Let me know if you get any response.

[SHS]

Will do mpb
I spent all day sunday on both 1600 and 1800 working with graphedit and never could get to work I know it used to enbeded the Closed Caption data
In fact I tested on this day see in this post
http://www.shspvr.com/smf/index.php?topic=11780
My guest is it has something to do with the drivers

[SHS]

Any way mpb I talk to dev today look like I need back track to last know work driver so they can fig where things gone wrong which I be doing this coming sunday which only day I don't have any recoding.

[mpb]

Thanks for checking. I must have the latest "not-so-greatest" drivers installed:
09/08/2008 - 1.31.26252.0 (4.6A install)
My old install CD is MIA. Is there a site that has the older Hauppauge driver revs that I could download and test too? I can't find any good sites that do.
I've read other forums/posts that try different drivers that improve analog quality but kill the ATSC/QAM input or vice versa. Fortunately, I'm only interested in the good quality Analog with CC, but some may need all 3. I guess I'd just settle for a definitive answer about Closed Caption support.
Thanks again for the hard work. Keep us posted.

[SHS]

I use have all older CD online but due lack of space on web server I had dump 11 older Hybrid CD

[SHS]

Ok after spent all day sunday working on 1600 and 1800 try ever know driver I have and I couldn't get it to work at all very odd I know use to work but I have no idea why it dosen't.