Lost Channels

[silverfoxxx]

Hi,

I have been using Sage for a while now on my WHS, the last couple of weeks though i seem to have lost bbc3 and film 4 from my channels, i have re scanned and also updated to the new release but still am unable to find these 2 channels when i do a scan.

Is anybody else having this issue?, i still get these channels on my 2 tv's. Is there a way of manually tuning these channels in?

Thanks
Michael

[pjwerdna]

Are you scanning when both channels are running?

I had to do the scan twice to get two frq files and then manually merge them.

[silverfoxxx]

Hi,

Yes i am scanning when both channels are running, i have tried various times of the day and night but no luck.

Today i came across a program called ScanChannelsBDA_UK and found that using this i get 100% on all the digital channels that i recieve on my tv!!

So the question is why can't sage pick up these same channels??, is their a way of manually typing in the frequencies for the channels i need?

Does anyone have a frequency file for South West Mendip by chance?

Thanks
Michael

[starfire]

Originally Posted by silverfoxxx

is their a way of manually typing in the frequencies for the channels i need?

In the Sage folder you should find .frq files for your tuner(s) which contains details of the channels Sage found, you should be able to edit this and add in what you need if you can get the details needed from another source.

Probably best to stop Sage first and start it again after editing.

[Spagaroony]

Hi,

yeah I've had terrible trouble and I'm not really happy now

I built a freq file by hand from a ScanChannels

this might help:

https://forums.sagetv.com/forums/sho...79&postcount=8

If anyone knows a way of just scanning for available channels it won't half help my RSI when I come to having to rescan (about every 4 months in the UK with new channel launches)

Aslo, many channels do not appear in the SageTV EPG

This whole area of SageTV falls short of the mark imo

[jaminben]

Originally Posted by Spagaroony

Aslo, many channels do not appear in the SageTV EPG

How do you mean, many channels do not appear in the SageTV EPG? Do you mean guide data?

I prefer using an external source for my TV guide data. Currently I use digiguide xmltv with StephaneM's importer. This gets all my data for Freeveiw & Freesat and just works without me interacting with it. Digiguide does require a small fee but you could always use RadioTimes or M$ data for free if you wanted.

Originally Posted by Spagaroony

This whole area of SageTV falls short of the mark imo

Yes, its a pain to setup and I believe its aimed more at the US market than Europe, but having said that Sage support has always been very good and the forums are even better. Once you have it all setup its so much better than any STB setup and far exceeds the stability issues of other HTPC software.

[silverfoxxx]

I'm still having serious issues with sage scanning for the correct channels, I have tried entering my own .frq file but have had no joy below is the one i made

VERSION 3.0, country:United Kingdom-South West@MendipTYPE DVB-T#fec_rate: 1:fec1/2, 2:fec2/3, 3:fec3/4, 4:fec3/5, 5:fec4/5, 6:fec5/6, 7:fec5/11, 8:fec7/8 9:fec8/9
#fec: 1:VBC, 2:RS/2048, 3:maximum
#polarisation: 1:linear_H, 2:Linear_V, 3:Circular_L, 4:Circular_R
#modualtion: 0:QPSK, 1:16QAM, 2:32QAM, 3:64QAM, 4:128QAM, 5:256QAM, 6:QAM_AUTO, 7:8VSB 8:16VSB
#ctrlbits: 0:diasable, 1:enable, 3:encrypted
#format:
# ch:index onid:networkid tsid:transport_id sid:sevrice_id frq:frequency band:band_width ctrl:ctrlbits
#example:
# CH:11 onid:123 sid:456 tsid:789 frq:670000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:BBC-WORD


ch:1 onid:9018 tsid:4172 frq:721833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:BBC1
ch:2 onid:9018 tsid:4236 frq:721833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:BBC Two
ch:3 onid:9018 tsid:8272 frq:618000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:ITV1
ch:4 onid:9018 tsid:8384 frq:618000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Channel 4
ch:5 onid:9018 tsid:12866 frq:634166 band:8 ctrl:1 #:FIVE
ch:6 onid:9018 tsid:8325 frq:618000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:ITV2
CH:7 onid:9018 tsid:4097 frq:721833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:BBC-THREE
ch:10 onid:9018 tsid:8294 frq:618000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:ITV3
ch:11 onid:9018 tsid:22208 frq:682166 band:8 ctrl:1 #:SKY THREE
ch:12 onid:9018 tsid:25792 frq:713833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Yesterday
ch:13 onid:9018 tsid:8452 frq:618000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Channel 4+1
ch:14 onid:9018 tsid:8442 frq:618000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:More 4
ch:15 onid:9018 tsid:27136 frq:714166 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Film4
ch:16 onid:9018 tsid:13120 frq:689833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:QVC
ch:18 onid:9018 tsid:25664 frq:714166 band:8 ctrl:1 #:4Music
ch:19 onid:9018 tsid:22272 frq:682166 band:8 ctrl:1 #ave
CH:20 onid:9018 tsid:24576 frq:714166 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Virgin1
ch:21 onid:9018 tsid:25728 frq:714166 band:8 ctrl:1 #:TMF
ch:22 onid:9018 tsid:25920 frq:713833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Ideal World
ch:23 onid:9018 tsid:14272 frq:689833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:bid tv
ch:24 onid:9018 tsid:8353 frq:618000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:ITV4
ch:25 onid:9018 tsid:27392 frq:714166 band:8 ctrl:1 #ave ja vu
ch:26 onid:9018 tsid:14976 frq:689833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:UKTV STYLE
ch:27 onid:9018 tsid:27072 frq:713833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:ITV2 +1
ch:28 onid:9018 tsid:8448 frq:618000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:E4
ch:29 onid:9018 tsid:22336 frq:682166 band:8 ctrl:1 #:E4+1
ch:34 onid:9018 tsid:16096 frq:689833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:SETANTA SPORTS
ch:35 onid:9018 tsid:12992 frq:634166 band:8 ctrl:1 #:FIVE USA
ch:36 onid:9018 tsid:12928 frq:634166 band:8 ctrl:1 #:FIVER
ch:45 onid:9018 tsid:19456 frq:658166 band:8 ctrl:1 #:301
ch:46 onid:9018 tsid:19520 frq:658166 band:8 ctrl:1 #:302
ch:49 onid:9018 tsid:14432 frq:689833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:NETPLAY TV
ch:83 onid:9018 tsid:22144 frq:682166 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Sky Spts News
ch:82 onid:9018 tsid:22080 frq:682166 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Sky News
ch:70 onid:9018 tsid:4671 frq:578000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:CBBC Channel 1
ch:71 onid:9018 tsid:16960 frq:681833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:CBeebies
ch:72 onid:9018 tsid:16032 frq:689833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:CITV
ch:80 onid:9018 tsid:4415 frq:721833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:BBC News
ch:81 onid:9018 tsid:17024 frq:681833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:BBC Parliament
ch:101 onid:9018 tsid:14784 frq:689833 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Ttext Holidays
ch:102 onid:9018 tsid:8633 frq:618000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Rabbit



And this is the actual scan by sage

VERSION 3.0, country:United Kingdom-South West@Mendip

TYPE DVB-T

#fec_rate: 1:fec1/2, 2:fec2/3, 3:fec3/4, 4:fec3/5, 5:fec4/5, 6:fec5/6, 7:fec5/11, 8:fec7/8 9:fec8/9
#fec: 1:VBC, 2:RS/2048, 3:maximum
#polarisation: 1:linear_H, 2:Linear_V, 3:Circular_L, 4:Circular_R
#modualtion: 0:QPSK, 1:16QAM, 2:32QAM, 3:64QAM, 4:128QAM, 5:256QAM, 6:QAM_AUTO, 7:8VSB 8:16VSB
#ctrlbits: 0:diasable, 1:enable, 3:encrypted
#format:
# ch:index onid:networkid tsid:transport_id sid:sevrice_id frq:frequency band:band_width ctrl:ctrlbits
#example:
# CH:11 onid:123 sid:456 tsid:789 frq:670000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:BBC-WORD


CH:1 onid:9018 tsid:4097 sid:4351 frq:778000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:BBC-THREE
CH:2 onid:9018 tsid:4097 sid:4415 frq:778000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:BBC-NEWS
CH:3 onid:9018 tsid:4097 sid:4225 frq:778000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:BBC-TWO
CH:4 onid:9018 tsid:4097 sid:4161 frq:778000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:BBC-ONE
CH:5 onid:9018 tsid:8204 sid:8268 frq:746000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:ITV1
CH:6 onid:9018 tsid:8204 sid:8325 frq:746000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:ITV2
CH:7 onid:9018 tsid:8204 sid:8384 frq:746000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Channel-4
CH:8 onid:9018 tsid:8204 sid:8448 frq:746000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:E4
CH:9 onid:9018 tsid:8204 sid:8353 frq:746000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:ITV4
CH:10 onid:9018 tsid:8204 sid:8442 frq:746000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:More-4
CH:11 onid:9018 tsid:8204 sid:8294 frq:746000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:ITV3
CH:12 onid:9018 tsid:8204 sid:8452 frq:746000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Channel-4+1
CH:13 onid:9018 tsid:12290 sid:12866 frq:802000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:FIVE
CH:14 onid:9018 tsid:12290 sid:13120 frq:802000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:QVC
CH:15 onid:9018 tsid:12290 sid:14272 frq:802000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:bid-tv
CH:16 onid:9018 tsid:12290 sid:15552 frq:802000000 band:8 ctrl:3 #:G.O.L.D.
CH:17 onid:9018 tsid:12290 sid:12992 frq:802000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:FIVE-USA
CH:18 onid:9018 tsid:12290 sid:12928 frq:802000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:FIVER
CH:19 onid:9018 tsid:12290 sid:16096 frq:802000000 band:8 ctrl:3 #:SETANTA-SPORTS
CH:20 onid:9018 tsid:12290 sid:14560 frq:802000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:SuperCasino
CH:21 onid:9018 tsid:12290 sid:15648 frq:802000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:CNN
CH:22 onid:9018 tsid:16384 sid:17024 frq:826000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:BBC-Parliament
CH:23 onid:9018 tsid:16384 sid:19456 frq:826000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:301
CH:24 onid:9018 tsid:16384 sid:19520 frq:826000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:302
CH:25 onid:9018 tsid:16384 sid:16832 frq:826000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:BBC-FOUR
CH:26 onid:9018 tsid:20480 sid:22336 frq:754000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:E4+1
CH:27 onid:9018 tsid:20480 sid:22144 frq:754000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Sky-Spts-News
CH:28 onid:9018 tsid:20480 sid:22272 frq:754000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #ave
CH:29 onid:9018 tsid:20480 sid:22080 frq:754000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:Sky-News
CH:30 onid:9018 tsid:20480 sid:22208 frq:754000000 band:8 ctrl:1 #:SKY-THREE


The frequencies on my version i got from using ScanChannelsBDA_UK and for some reason will not work, when i fire sage up it comes up as no signal.., any ideas what i'm doing wrong. Also as you can see the scan sage does itself seems to have the channels in a random order and this causes issues with the tv guide, as well as not being any where near the amount of channels i know are available.

One last question is the area i select for scanning is mendip as this yeilds the most channels, although not very well, but my closest transmitter is stockland hill which for some reason yeilds only 5 channels at most any ideas why this would be?


Sorry for the long post but i seem to have gone backwards with sage in the past few weeks after almost 12 months of trouble free usage, very annoying.

Thanks
Michael

[starfire]

Although it doesn't answer the question it would be worthwhile raising an official ticket with Sage support to see if they can help you, it does seem strange it only finds some of the channels but this could be due to some hard coded frequencies in Sage for the transmitter you select as opposed to scanning the full spectrum for channels which is maybe what other s/w does.

[ging]

Might be a digital swithcover, they changed a bunch of frequencies on the Rowridge transmitter a few weeks ago and will do the same around the country over time, I had to add the new base frequencies into the PredefinedDVBT.frq file for my area i.e a new frequency was frq:578000000;band:8; which has a bunch of channels on BBC1 and 2 etc. I used another program to find where these channels had gone too and added in the base frequency to the sage file and hey presto the scan finds all the channels again

Old Channel frequencies


"United Kingdom-South of England@Rowridge"
frq:490000000;band:8;
frq:530000000;band:8;
frq:546000000;band:8;
frq:562000000;band:8;
frq:514000000;band:8;
frq:570000000;band:8;
{tune:1;pat:6;sdt:16;}

New Frequencies

"United Kingdom-South of England@Rowridge"
frq:578000000;band:8;
frq:602000000;band:8;
frq:570000000;band:8;
frq:562000000;band:8;
frq:530000000;band:8;
frq:514000000;band:8;
frq:546000000;band:8;
frq:490000000;band:8;
{tune:1;pat:6;sdt:16;}