STV Import: TVExplorer for SageMC

[Skirge01]

Originally Posted by PLUCKYHD

I personally don't like the "left" as back standard as why do you need that when you have a back button on your remote, but to each his own, and that is part of the problem as well not every developer is going to like the same way things are done.

I'm with you 100% on the potential standardization issue, but not everyone has a "back" button on their remote! Both my Harmony 880 and 890 do not. I know I could program that function into one of the buttons (if I had a spare one, that is) or onto the LCD screen, but the left arrow is much more intuitive in my case.

[razrsharpe]

Originally Posted by Skirge01

Both my Harmony 880 and 890 do not.

Isn't "EXIT" a back button? However, I always use left as back and wouldn't give it up for having to use the "EXIT" button on my 880

I am all for navigation standards, etc (as plucky will tell you I am a big stickler for standardization and good UI design) however sometimes it is not possible to follow the "standard". For example trying to make the A-Z popup in TVE behave like the video library where you navigate all the way to the right of the screen to get the popup list is just not feasible or intuitive. Having the 1 key bring up the A-Z list and 2-9 shortcut to the letter is much more intuitive imho All that being said, i concur that having uniformity across different portions of the UI is important so if you guys have suggestions on that front let me know

[MitchSchaft]

Well, you have to set up a special button on the LCD for back. That's how I do it on my 880. Also for home (green button) since logitech turn that feature off for some reason a couple years ago.

[Skirge01]

Now that you mention it, I think I did set up EXIT to be the back button.... either that or the home button. But, it's still not a BACK button!

[bluenote]

Originally Posted by PLUCKYHD

The problem with this becomes not every import scrolls or acts the same, some may be horizontal one one side and vertical on the other make a "left" as back impossible to keep function working. Standards are good but hard to keep across all spectrums. I personally don't like the "left" as back standard as why do you need that when you have a back button on your remote, but to each his own, and that is part of the problem as well not every developer is going to like the same way things are done.

I know, everybody has different preferences, and each import design has different needs. I'm just raising the point so that contiguous UI experience hopefully makes it to the discussion at least. I know I was picking on 'left as back', but really that was only the example that came to mind. If windows required you to triple click in some windows, and quadruple click in others, without any rhyme or reason it would get pretty old pretty fast.

I guess I should make the point directly, that, I know there's no configuration that pleases everyone. And that each design is a question of balancing tradeoffs. So I'm not suggesting that UI uniformity needs to be the #1 consideration ... but I think it should be considered along with the other feature areas that often take the drivers seat when these discussions come up. It's easy to forget, that's all.

Cory

[razrsharpe]

Originally Posted by cnovak

I guess I should make the point directly, that, I know there's no configuration that pleases everyone. And that each design is a question of balancing tradeoffs. So I'm not suggesting that UI uniformity needs to be the #1 consideration ... but I think it should be considered along with the other feature areas that often take the drivers seat when these discussions come up. It's easy to forget, that's all.

100% agree and thank you for bringing it up.... because i agree it is definitely important to have a consistent UI experience... your windows double clicking is a perfect example (and when programs dont conform to the double clicking standard it is definitely HUGELY annoying...)

[adamk624]

I'm trying to upgrade from the 1.00 version of TVExplorer and I keep getting these weird errors that basically seem to imply that Sage can't find any of the ortus methods (see below). I verified that the jar is included in the classpath and looked at the jar in eclipse and everything looks fine there. I've restarted sage service and client multiple time to no avail. Has anyone else seen anything like this? Any idea how to fix it? I'd really like to upgrade to the new version, as it looks to be a big improvement. ) (I attached my whole client log, too, in case that helps)

Tue 2/23 22:41:57.449 [AWT-EventQueue-0@1d1e730] Launching screen TV Explorer
Tue 2/23 22:41:57.469 [AWT-EventQueue-0@1d1e730] setUI(sage.b4@1dd9c52[TV Explorer]) histIdx=1 uiHistory=[sage.b4@14093f[Dynamic Menu by nielm], sage.b4@1dd9c52[TV Explorer]]
Tue 2/23 22:41:57.596 [AWT-EventQueue-0@1d1e730] Catbert Method Lookup Failure forrtus_api_IsOrtusInitialized
Tue 2/23 22:41:57.598 [AWT-EventQueue-0@1d1e730] java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: sagex/UIContext
Tue 2/23 22:41:57.598 [AWT-EventQueue-0@1d1e730] Catbert Method Lookup Failure forrtus_api_IsOrtusInitialized
Tue 2/23 22:41:57.599 [AWT-EventQueue-0@1d1e730] java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: sagex/UIContext
Tue 2/23 22:41:57.600 [AWT-EventQueue-0@1d1e730] Catbert Method Lookup Failure forrtus_api_IsOrtusInitialized
Tue 2/23 22:41:57.601 [AWT-EventQueue-0@1d1e730] java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: sagex/UIContext
Tue 2/23 22:41:57.601 [AWT-EventQueue-0@1d1e730] Parsing Error: Unexpected ")" at column 31.

Expression: !ortus_api_IsOrtusInitialized()

[adamk624]

Nevermind, false alarm. In case anyone else is having a similar issue. I did a clean reinstall of all the stated dependencies (sagemc, phoenix and sagex) and it was fixed. I must have had a jar mismatch or something.

Originally Posted by adamk624

I'm trying to upgrade from the 1.00 version of TVExplorer and I keep getting these weird errors that basically seem to imply that Sage can't find any of the ortus methods (see below). I verified that the jar is included in the classpath and looked at the jar in eclipse and everything looks fine there. I've restarted sage service and client multiple time to no avail. Has anyone else seen anything like this? Any idea how to fix it? I'd really like to upgrade to the new version, as it looks to be a big improvement. ) (I attached my whole client log, too, in case that helps)

Tue 2/23 22:41:57.449 [AWT-EventQueue-0@1d1e730] Launching screen TV Explorer
Tue 2/23 22:41:57.469 [AWT-EventQueue-0@1d1e730] setUI(sage.b4@1dd9c52[TV Explorer]) histIdx=1 uiHistory=[sage.b4@14093f[Dynamic Menu by nielm], sage.b4@1dd9c52[TV Explorer]]
Tue 2/23 22:41:57.596 [AWT-EventQueue-0@1d1e730] Catbert Method Lookup Failure forrtus_api_IsOrtusInitialized
Tue 2/23 22:41:57.598 [AWT-EventQueue-0@1d1e730] java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: sagex/UIContext
Tue 2/23 22:41:57.598 [AWT-EventQueue-0@1d1e730] Catbert Method Lookup Failure forrtus_api_IsOrtusInitialized
Tue 2/23 22:41:57.599 [AWT-EventQueue-0@1d1e730] java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: sagex/UIContext
Tue 2/23 22:41:57.600 [AWT-EventQueue-0@1d1e730] Catbert Method Lookup Failure forrtus_api_IsOrtusInitialized
Tue 2/23 22:41:57.601 [AWT-EventQueue-0@1d1e730] java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: sagex/UIContext
Tue 2/23 22:41:57.601 [AWT-EventQueue-0@1d1e730] Parsing Error: Unexpected ")" at column 31.

Expression: !ortus_api_IsOrtusInitialized()

[razrsharpe]

Originally Posted by adamk624

I must have had a jar mismatch or something.

ya looks to me like you needed a newer version of sagex from the below line in the log... one of the more recent versions of sagex added support for the UIContext...

Tue 2/23 22:41:57.601 [AWT-EventQueue-0@1d1e730]  java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: sagex/UIContext

Anyway, glad you figured it out

[bluenote]

Hows that next version coming along razrsharpe

[razrsharpe]

Originally Posted by cnovak

Hows that next version coming along razrsharpe

rather slowly... I haven't been able to play too much with sage... right now im working on the options menus, and fixing some of the bugs with the way its done right now (ie - deleted shows still visible until you leave/reenter tve)...

[tmiranda]

Originally Posted by razrsharpe

... right now im working on the options menus, and fixing some of the bugs with the way its done right now (ie - deleted shows still visible until you leave/reenter tve)...

I fixed this in my Default STV version in a rather clunky way. Let me know when you come up with something better

[SomeWhatLost]

ok, so I am having a bit of a minor issue here...

its all like blank and stuff?
technically I am having the exact same issue with SMW, so it must be something else I am doing wrong, and not directly related to TVE...
I have BMT setup, it seems happy, it downloaded a bunch of fanart type stuff...
the stock sage interface picks up all the cover art stuff for its display... so itseems to work... just not happiness from the fancy add-ons
I had BMT4.x installed, but I downgraded to 3.x, just because.... both seem to work the same (but I liked 4.x better)

[xxLJLxx]

Originally Posted by SomeWhatLost

ok, so I am having a bit of a minor issue here...

This looks like the problem a few people were having when this new version of TVE was released. You might need to update your version of sagex.api. Get the new and updated one here. Like I said, I don't know for sure if this is the problem but it's worth a try. You can check what your current sagex.api version is by looking under the Phoenix tab on the BMT Web GUI. There might be an easier way but that is how I did it in the past. Hope this helps!

[razrsharpe]

Originally Posted by SomeWhatLost

ok, so I am having a bit of a minor issue here...

Originally Posted by xxLJLxx

This looks like the problem a few people were having when this new version of TVE was released. You might need to update your version of sagex.api. Get the new and updated one here. Like I said, I don't know for sure if this is the problem but it's worth a try. You can check what your current sagex.api version is by looking under the Phoenix tab on the BMT Web GUI. There might be an easier way but that is how I did it in the past. Hope this helps!

I agree with xxLJxx try the latest sagex verion. Make sure you shutdown sage when you are installing/unzipping sagex. BMT 3.x ships with an old sagex version so if thats the last thing you installed than that is probably the culprit.

If that doesn't fix it can you get me some logs by doing this:
-Shutdown the sage client
-enable DebugLogging
-Start sage client
-Enter the TVE menu
-zip up and post (or email me at sagetve @ gmail dot com) the sagetvclient_0.txt file created in the sage home directory (usually C:\Program Files\SageTV\SageTV\) so i can take a look and hopefully see whats amiss

[SomeWhatLost]

no need... both TVE and SMW fixed themselves... not sure how...
I was playing with sage, neither worked, so I gave up...
went and actually USED sage for an hour or so...
(fwiw those of you who spend all your time hanging out here, you should actually try using sage every once in a while, its a wonderful product...)
tried TVE & SMW again, and now they actually work... I did nothing...

I will update my sagex, just because it probably did get over written... I already have the latest... just need to re-install it... I did have the same issue with the new 4.x BMT though, that would of had the new sagex too?

[razrsharpe]

Originally Posted by SomeWhatLost

I will update my sagex, just because it probably did get over written... I already have the latest... just need to re-install it... I did have the same issue with the new 4.x BMT though, that would of had the new sagex too?

ya i would think the bmt 4.x would have the latest sagex jar... did you unzip tve/smw when sage was on? If sage isn't off when unzipping it wont pick up the new jars... so that could have been the cause too... especially if it started working after restarting the client (or service is accessing through the hd200).

[SomeWhatLost]

nope, all playing with .jar's and stuff was done with the sage service stopped...

but I need to take back what I said about it being fixed/working... its mostly working... I get the data/shows/etc now, just no pictures/fan art...

I probably am just missing a simple config/check box setting in BMT...

[razrsharpe]

Originally Posted by SomeWhatLost

I probably am just missing a simple config/check box setting in BMT...

there is also a config setting in the UI for where it should look for fanart that would double check...

Main Menu -> My Menu -> Settings -> SageMC Setup -> Main -> Global UI Options -> Display -> Fanart Options.
-Fan Art Support -> Enabled (im not sure TVE requires this to be enabled but the rest of sagemc does...)
-Fan Art Central File Path -> path to your central fanart folder

[SomeWhatLost]

yep, all the stuff in the UI is set up... I think the issue is I don't actually have any fan art for sageTV recordings... BMT only grabbed them for the movies/videos...
so it seems, TVE is doing what it should, at least with the stuff it has...
I need to go back and look at BMT some more...