HD PVR random Copy Protection message

[nyle]

I've got a strange one. Has anyone else seen this?

I'm on Time Warner Digital with a HD PVR connected to the Component level outputs. Every now and then half way through a show it will give a copy protection message on the screen and list the YPbPr as the source.

Sometimes it happens for a few seconds during a show and then the show comes back again.

Has anyone seen this? I hope they aren't trying to kill the HD PVR.

How exclusionary to force us to use their PVRs. It's one thing to protect content it's another to protect content only so you can force people to only buy your product. I'll have to go to Moxi if they kill the HD PVR.

Thanks guys.

[reggie14]

That doesn't sound good... Can you post a screen shot of it?

[Fluffdaddy]

Now that is scary

[Brent]

There isn't a way for the cable box to "communicate" with the component output and detect what is connected to it. So I'm guessing something else is going on. I'd try to switch out your TWC Cable box for another one.

[HelenWeathers]

Originally Posted by Brent

There isn't a way for the cable box to "communicate" with the component output and detect what is connected to it. So I'm guessing something else is going on. I'd try to switch out your TWC Cable box for another one.

While there is no way to tell what is connected to the YPbPr connectors, the DirecTV boxes can detect that you are using YPbPr instead of HDMI and are able to downres the output to the YPbPr ports or disable them if warranted. DirecTV ran tests about 3 months ago on 1080p VOD delivery and on my STB if I was watching those test channels on my YPbPr TV there would be a message on screen saying something to the affect of "This broadcast can only be viewed using the HDMI connection from your DirecTV receiver".

They want to be able to do it on day and date releases of some movies the day they hit BD/DVD.

The ability is there, maybe TWC is doing a little experimenting as well.

To my knowledge, DirecTV has never downresed or blocked a signal but they could if it was required by the studio.

[Fuzzy]

Unfortunatly, they are really fighting a moot issue at this point anyway. They are looking to protect earlier release content from being recorded and illegally distributed to protect DVD/BD sales, while at the same time, the DVD/BD encryption is eaily bypassed and results in a better source anyways. Therefore, no pirate would be trying to record content from the component anyway.

If they do continue down this path.. HDFury is the next step. Hate to see people having to go that route though.

[Clift]

Okay before we all get carried away, I have a quick question for the OP:

Are you using the HDMI out to your TV as well as the component to the HD PVR?

[reggie14]

Did you guys see the recent article on the MPAA again pushing for "selectable output control" that was on Ars a couple days ago?

[mr_lore]

When I had TWC about a year ago I saw this as well on my SA 8300HD using component, it happened about once every 3 months or so and I just yanked the power cable out of the box and rebooted it. That always fixed it and it was incredibly annoying but those things needed a good kick in the butt every so often, man did they suck... yay for directv!


And remember everyone, when the man drops the other foot and kills Component theres always HDFury:

http://www.hdfury.com/

[nyle]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

Unfortunatly, they are really fighting a moot issue at this point anyway.

If they do continue down this path.. HDFury is the next step. Hate to see people having to go that route though.

Is there a way to capture VGA video into SageTV? Because if so the HDFury sounds like it would make it possible.

I love that idea. HDMI->HDFURY2(VGA)->(MYSTERY BOX)->SAGETV

Without going HDMI->HDFURY2(COMPONENT->HD PVR->SAGETV

[nyle]

Originally Posted by reggie14

That doesn't sound good... Can you post a screen shot of it?

I will when I'm watching a show and it appears again. I deleted the last one.

[HelenWeathers]

Originally Posted by nyle

Is there a way to capture VGA video into SageTV? Because if so the HDFury sounds like it would make it possible.

I love that idea. HDMI->VGA->SAGETV

The HD Fury 2 does HDMI to YPbPr (Component) for capture with the HD PVR - don't know of any VGA capture cards.

[nyle]

Originally Posted by Clift

Okay before we all get carried away, I have a quick question for the OP:

Are you using the HDMI out to your TV as well as the component to the HD PVR?

Yes, but we haven't been using the HDMI when the recordings are occurring. We only do that when we want to use start over or the absolute best picture.

-Nyle

[nyle]

Originally Posted by HelenWeathers

The HD Fury 2 does HDMI to YPbPr (Component) for capture with the HD PVR - don't know of any VGA capture cards.

So it's be nice to have an HDFury on a PCIExpress card that converted the incoming video to MP4 in hardware. DREAM, dream, dream, dream....

Someday, no more forced slavery to the cable/satellite companies DVRs.

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by nyle

Someday, no more forced slavery to the cable/satellite companies DVRs.

That's what OTA is for.. though you DO get what you pay for...

[nyle]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

That's what OTA is for.. though you DO get what you pay for...

OTA in rural America is almost non-existent. There is no reason the FCC couldn't force cable to broadcast non pay channels ATSC/ClearQAM. Force them to not use custom tuners, much like Cablecard was supposed to open the market. They managed to keep it locked down so much that it didn't happen.

We should be able to buy cable card for use with SageTV on our own home built PCs. I've written the FCC, has anyone else?

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by nyle

OTA in rural America is almost non-existent. There is no reason the FCC couldn't force cable to broadcast non pay channels ATSC/ClearQAM.

The FCC already requires cable co's to carry the local channels in the clear.

[Clift]

Is the HDMI cable connected though? I know it sounds crazy but HDMI can still talk to the device whether the connection is "active" or not. It may be that your TV is talking to the box? Back in the day when I used to capture analog from the cable box I had a missed recording overnight that simply said "your display is not authorized" or something like that. The culprit: STB to TV connection was HDMI, and the TV was off. So the cable box was missing the HDCP handshake. I had a similar issue with the HD PVR when I first started using it. The only solution that worked for me, when I used to use the pass-through, was to not connect the HDMI cable at all.

[aflat]

Originally Posted by nyle

We should be able to buy cable card for use with SageTV on our own home built PCs. I've written the FCC, has anyone else?

You can, if/when Sage supports cablecard tuners. Cablecards are no longer locked to OEM's, so anyone can throw one in any machine. Unfortunately the only software that can currently use them as a tuner is Windows Media Center. All this was recently announced, so you can't do it yet, but soon.