Comcast Gets It!

[Khristopher]

http://www.9to5mac.com/comcast_gets_it

Hopefully SageTV will figure it out too!! HINT HINT

[JetreL]

Why not just use the web interface?

[PiX64]

yeah i gotta agree with JetreL on this one...Sage has had this functionality for as long as I can remember.

Some features are missing but 95% of it is already there...with things like send to extender, webremote, video library browsing, music browsing, egp browsings already built into the neilms awesome web server....I would just use the web interface on the ipad...

~Pix

[sic0048]

Because unless something is called "i"Whatever - Apple fanboys won't use it. So perhaps the best solution is for Nielm to create an exact copy of his existing work and call it iToldYouSo or something like that. It would take off then!

[PiX64]

haha! nice!

:-)

[Khristopher]

Originally Posted by JetreL

Why not just use the web interface?

While the Web Interface is good (and I use it at home), there is certainly lots of room for improvement.

SageTV needs to have this functionality built in, not as a user developed add on. BeyondTV failed in that they stopped innovating and ignored features that the masses wanted (media center capabilities). Hopefully Sage can learn from this example to ensure their own survival in the digital marketplace which is becoming very popular with competing products.

In order to get Sage working at an acceptable level, I've had to tinker and find many add ons for functionality that is now becoming standard in just about every DVR on the planet. People want easy connectivity between their devices, not something that has to be kludged together.

Originally Posted by sic0048

Because unless something is called "i"Whatever - Apple fanboys won't use it. So perhaps the best solution is for Nielm to create an exact copy of his existing work and call it iToldYouSo or something like that. It would take off then!

Wow! I still get a chuckle that people still resort to the whole Fanboy or "i" excuse in an attempt to make themselves look clever.

Whether or not you like Apple, you can't deny that they are changing the world, one product at a time.

[wrems]

Originally Posted by Khristopher

Whether or not you like Apple, you can't deny that they are changing the world, one product at a time.

That's a wild statement! I hear these types of comments made by apple fanatics sort of frequently. One in particular that I heard recently is that the "ipad is a non-computer that is the future of computing"!

Where do they come up with this? Tablets have been around a long time. I don't disagree that Apples implementation of the tablet is cool, but they are by no means pioneers.

[Brent]

I gotta agree with Khristopher - an app would me much more functional. And a very big value-add if placeshifting were part of the mix.

I use the webserver now with my iPad, but ideally what I'd like to see is playback ability, feedback from the server when using as remote control as to what is playing (If I remotely choose "play movie" I'd like the app to say what is playing along with details about that movie.


Oh and about the Apple is the greatest kind of statements - I don't agree with that. But I do use the iPad a lot these days despite thinking I'd return it... I'd probably use a Google tablet or MS tablet (like the mythical courier) at least as much.

[Khristopher]

Originally Posted by wrems

That's a wild statement! I hear these types of comments made by apple fanatics sort of frequently.

Didn't realize stating the obvious turned one into an Apple Fanatic.

Originally Posted by wrems

One in particular that I heard recently is that the "ipad is a non-computer that is the future of computing"!

Not everyone thinks before they speak.

Originally Posted by wrems

Where do they come up with this? Tablets have been around a long time. I don't disagree that Apples implementation of the tablet is cool, but they are by no means pioneers.

Yes, tablets have been around for a long time, but until the iPad, *NONE* have taken the whole world by storm. It's been a niche market until now.

You don't have to be a pioneer to be an innovator.

Originally Posted by Brent

Oh and about the Apple is the greatest kind of statements - I don't agree with that.

I don't agree with those statements either. Nor do I agree with automatically being classified as a fanboy for simply stating you like an Apple product. Too many people use the fanboy excuse simply because they don't have any other logical reply for the comment put forward.

How about we get back to the topic of a native iPad/iPhone app for SageTV instead of turning this into a pi$$ing contest because no one will win, but everyone will be cold and wet!

[Brent]

Whats the fun in that? To be fair, you did say Apple was changing the world which isn't something everyone would agree with
I'm not picking on anyone here, but it should be noted that the non-Apple non-fanboy crowd is as annoying as the other side imo. And those are the folks that turned this into a silly forum contest of sorts.

And I was getting back to the topic. I think there's a place for SageTV to have better mobile functionality:

• Mobile Web Control with a good UI
• Mobile control with feedback - kind of like the Sonos controller and iPhone app works
• Mobile placeshifting

That's my hopes for a mobile HTPC future. And it doesn't necessarily have to be Apple products only. I think Apple, MS and Android apps all would be nice.

[PLUCKYHD]

Originally Posted by Brent

Whats the fun in that? To be fair, you did say Apple was changing the world which isn't something everyone would agree with

I am not an apple fan boy but like it are not that statement holds some truth. Time and Time again you have to look at the iphone and what it has made other manufactures do to their phones. Apple took a huge risk with that product and it paid off dearly.

Back to topic on hand an app would be more usable I agree as well.

[panteragstk]

Wow. What a nice thread.

Let's get back on topic. The main reason we might not see an ipad, iphone, ipod touch is because sagetv is in direct conflict with appletv. That and the fact that the comcast app gives you access to stuff already on your cable box, while sagetv gives you access to any media on your system. That media could have been obtained illegally, so I don't see apple approving an app for sagetv. That and the fact that apple is planning on releasing tv shows in itunes. Again a direct conflict. This has been discussed many times before. We are more likely to see an app for one of the upcoming android tablets that will be coming out in the future.

[PLUCKYHD]

Originally Posted by panteragstk

Wow. What a nice thread.

Let's get back on topic. The main reason we might not see an ipad, iphone, ipod touch is because sagetv is in direct conflict with appletv. That and the fact that the comcast app gives you access to stuff already on your cable box, while sagetv gives you access to any media on your system. That media could have been obtained illegally, so I don't see apple approving an app for sagetv. That and the fact that apple is planning on releasing tv shows in itunes. Again a direct conflict. This has been discussed many times before. We are more likely to see an app for one of the upcoming android tablets that will be coming out in the future.

That can't hold true as they allow other streaming devices to stream from your computer without problem and that would be a conflict as well. I don't see any problems getting an app approved but don't think sage will do it.

[panteragstk]

Originally Posted by PLUCKYHD

That can't hold true as they allow other streaming devices to stream from your computer without problem and that would be a conflict as well. I don't see any problems getting an app approved but don't think sage will do it.

You think? I had read (who knows if the source was reliable) that they were really against opening up anything that could get users to "illegal" content. That is a huge grey area. I'd love a tablet to watch all of my stuff on. I don't care who makes it.

[dravenone]

I'd love a tablet to watch all of my stuff on. I don't care who makes it.

Get yourself a Motion Computing tablet and put Placeshifter or Sage client on it. That's what I use in my kitchen mounted to an Ergotron arm and I love it.

[vividweb]

Originally Posted by dravenone

Get yourself a Motion Computing tablet and put Placeshifter or Sage client on it. That's what I use in my kitchen mounted to an Ergotron arm and I love it.

$3000+ for a kitchen TV. WOW!!!!!

[sic0048]

Originally Posted by Khristopher

Wow! I still get a chuckle that people still resort to the whole Fanboy or "i" excuse in an attempt to make themselves look clever.

I wasn't trying to make myself look clever, but my statement was a joke. If that was lost on you, perhaps you are more of an Apple Fanboy than you care to admit. At least others did find the humor in it.

I have nothing against a SageTV Apple specific app or a Droid specific app, or any other app. The more people we can get interested in SageTV, the better.

That being said, I doubt that SageTV is going to put a lot of time and effort into an Apple app right now (just my opinion). If people really want one, then I think someone from the forum should create one just like Foncur is doing with his Droid app.

[Brent]

Originally Posted by vividweb

$3000+ for a kitchen TV. WOW!!!!!

You ought to see the kitchen
vividweb has me curious though...

Its funny cause I was thinking of the iPad that guy mounted to his Kitchen wall to use as a kitchen touch-pad computer - and if there was a placeshifter built-in it could serve as an extender as well. I thought that would have been expensive until now.

[eric3a]

I realize the pull of the iPad but I still would prefer that there be no iPad specific application for SageTV but instead I would love for a new Web interface to be created that would work on all html 5 enabled machines.

I don't see Apple as "changing the world" in a direction I like: Pay for little apps that are tightly controlled by the mother firm isn't where I prefer computing to go. I can understand the appeal for Apple though! I have no interest in participating in that model. (nor in $1.99 iTunes per video episode of series I can wacth for free on any TV and any computer I want thanks to SageTV btw)

Yes the current free web interface (for which I am very grateful for) could be made a lot better, and I for one would be happy to pay a fee for a top of the line version. The BTV web interface had its flaws but you could watch programs remotely on it via Silverlight.
Since a SageTV web interface allowing the functionnalities some of you highlighted above could be made to work with all web enabled machines of sufficient power why limit it to an iPad application only?

Eric

[Khristopher]

Originally Posted by sic0048

I wasn't trying to make myself look clever, but my statement was a joke. If that was lost on you, perhaps you are more of an Apple Fanboy than you care to admit. At least others did find the humor in it.

LOL. However you want to justify it to yourself.

Originally Posted by sic0048

I have nothing against a SageTV Apple specific app or a Droid specific app (which is being worked on right now by Foncur) or any other app. The more people we can get interested in SageTV, the better.

That's exactly my point, but you chose to take the iamLAME route and essentially sounded the starting gun to let the trolls loose!!

You'd have to be blind, or really dense to realize that missing the iPad/iPhone/(Insert your favorite smartphone/platform/device here) media accessable bandwagon is only going to end in disaster, with other competing products taking the lead. People are demanding more and more access to the digital life they've immersed themselves in.

Yes SageTV has the web client developed the the insanely talented Nielm, however without it, SageTV is just another piece of unconnected DVR/Media Center software. More and more DVR boxes from the cable providers are adding in features that were standard on software like Sage and MythTV, and because of that, the gap in the playing field is narrowing substantially.

If Shaw Cable came out with a networked, remotely accessible, placeshifting DVR with full iPhone/iPad control/streaming......I would drop SageTV in a heartbeat simply because of ease of use. Not everyone wants to spend hours configuring their DVR and continually upgrading it anymore. People want things to work well, and work well together.