back to back hard pad recording same tuner?

[wallaceff]

I live in Australia (yes, we got wolloped in the World Cup last night), and in this country the TV channels NEVER start and stop their shows at the scheduled time, so my recordings ALWAYS need some hard padding.

I'm wondring if someone can tell me if Version 7 can HARD PAD back to back recordings using just 1 tuner?
ie. recording from 7-8 with 10 mins hard pad and another set from 8-9, will it need more than 1 tuner?
I was hoping version 7 would solve this problem was wnated to find out before installing the beta.

Anyone know? and if its not possible, who do I dubmit a request for it?

[Razillian]

You can actually do it with most (all?) of the versions of Sage using the option "Remove Padding on Back to Back Favorites on the same Channel" under Customize in Detailed Setup.

[wallaceff]

I think you misunderstand me. I WANT hard padding on back to back recordings, I just want it to use 1 tuner instead of 2! Does version 7 do this?

[ke6guj]

sounds like he wants it padding on two files, using one tuner. as an example, with 5 minutes of front and back padding, the first file woudl record from 7:55-9:05 and the second file would record from 8:55-10:05. That time from 8:55-9:05 would be contained in both files.

So, the first file would be recording and Sage would need to start a second simultanious recording at 8:55 and have one tuner supply two streams for that 10-minute overlap. From what I've been told is that that is not possible due to the way that the graphs are built up an torn down.

If that is true tht it can't supply two graphs at the same time with one signal, I know of a way that it might be able to be done, but it would take some work. Take that example I mentioned above, If sage knew that there was a same-channel overlap, it could record the first show from 7:55-8:55 and then start a new file from 8:55-9:05 and then start a third file for the second show, from 9:05-10:05. By doing that, it could assign that 10-minute overlap files to both shows. That way, when you play back the first show, you play the 7:55-8:55 recording and then the 8:55-9:05 recording. Same for the second show, start with the 8:55-9:05 recording and then go to the 9:05-10:05 recording. Sage would need to be smart enough to know that it couldn't delete the 8:55-9:05 recording until both parent recordings had been deleted.

[GKusnick]

Originally Posted by wallaceff

Does version 7 do this?

No.

Originally Posted by wallaceff

who do I dubmit a request for it?

Use the bug report form for feature requests. You're not the first to wish for this, but more votes can't hurt.

[wallaceff]

Ok, will do. I just think its poor tuner management that it can't be done in 2010!
There a program TV Sheduler Pro, that from what I understand, can even record subchannels from the same stream using just 1 tuner!
Surely, thats the kind of tuner management we should be seeing??

[stanger89]

Originally Posted by wallaceff

Ok, will do. I just think its poor tuner management that it can't be done in 2010!

That would require writing two files from the same filtergraph, and changing the graph several times midstream. I think that would require a lot bigger rework of Sage's recording/file writing mechanism than they did for V7.

[wayner]

Originally Posted by wallaceff

I live in Australia (yes, we got wolloped in the World Cup last night)

True, but the Wallabies walloped the English in a sport that is more important!

[GKusnick]

Originally Posted by stanger89

That would require writing two files from the same filtergraph, and changing the graph several times midstream. I think that would require a lot bigger rework of Sage's recording/file writing mechanism than they did for V7.

As far as I can see it shouldn't actually require tearing down and rebuilding the graph in midstream. All you'd really need is a forking filter that can write the same stream to two files, with the ability to redirect each branch to a different file (or no file) dynamically, without tearing down the graph. You then set up the graph once at the start of a string of back-to-back recordings, and redirect the outputs at the appropriate times to capture each program plus its padding to a separate file.

How much work it would be to actually implement this in Sage I would not care to speculate. But I'm hoping they get around to it at some point.

[stanger89]

Well if they're still setup to rebuild the graph between recordings that would be a bit of work. I was hoping to see it in V7, but realistically, if they didn't implement that with the seamless transition work they've already done in V7, I'd not expect to see it soon.