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Did the original poster kill it or was it censored?
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That's kind of odd though considering what we do with sage is borderline according to the mpaa... And re-encoding to divx/xvid/h.264 probably irks them off to no end. Isn't making archival copies of dvd's the same thing considering it's legality is really up in the air?
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I bet my post put it over the top
![]() Very interesting since Cayars STV has support for decryptor. |
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This thread is headed in the same direction, Look for it to be deleted shortly
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Main reason I posted it in the first place is there are lots of people on these forums who use it, and there are at least 9 other threads that talk about it (including the Cayars STV). I'd also wager that at least 90% of the people here who store DVD's or ripped DVD's on their drives use something similar to do it.
If my thread was against the rules, I'm assuming the discussions in the Cayars thread would also be, so shouldn't they be deleted as well (as well as the offending STV file, since it supports DVD Decryptor)? I know I took the wrong approach, and should have just mentioned that it had been shut down and left it at that. Instead I asked for alternatives
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What makes anyone think that other DVD posts haven't gone away?
![]() Not all DVDs are commercial disks and/or disks that are encrypted. So, as long as the discussions stay within the framework of dealing with non-encrypted DVDs, things are OK. When the discussion is pretty blatant about ways to break the encryption on commercial DVDs, I have to get involved. I didn't previously close this thread (which is different from deleting it), because I figured there would be some questions popping up to clarify this. Edit: No, I don't have time to go back and search for everything that might not be allowed around here. I try to leave things alone (everyone is happier that way, including me), but if you _really_ insist that I go look at something... - Andy
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My understanding is that decrypting DVD's is NOT illegal according to the DMCA. The distribution of tools used for decrypting digital media is what's illegal. I guess discussing decryption techniques, and allowing discussions about such techniques, on a web forum site would fall under the same category. |
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Not to go on about it, but most of the opinions I've read online suggest it's not illegal to carry out the act of circumventing, it's the act of distributing such tools. http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=...e+Search&meta= I won't pretend to be an expert though. |
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It's not illegal to backup your media. It is however illegal to crack/hack the code that these organizations put on the media to make it "harder" to backup. Unfortunately it isn't illegal for these organizations to put this code in place to circumvent us from our legal right to back it up. Go Figure
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Strait from the horse's mouth (as it were) Title 17, Chapter 12 of the US Code: Quote:
Now onto the personal fair use question: Some interesting tidbits: Quote:
Interesting PDF: http://www.copyright.gov/legislation/dmca.pdf |
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I wish that congress would just clear this issue up. As it stand right now, the Fair use act and Audio Home Recording Act say that I can backup my media that I purchased. The Acts just don't stop the media mfgrs from making it impossible to do without needing to decode their copy protection(illegal). A clearer amendment to the copyright law would be very welcome, although with the high price lobbyists the MPAA and RIAA have, it probably wouldn't swing our way. Going by the Fair use act and Audio Home Recording Act, it should be illegal for the studios to put this copy protection in place in the first place.
Macrovision in my eyes is equal to a broadcast flag on a disk. Last edited by dbfresh23; 06-06-2005 at 06:55 PM. |
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I'm sure many people are interested in the passing of DVDDecrypter.
cdfreaks com has some good conversation. |
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Here's the quote from the author from CDFreaks. Won't post any links so as to not go against the rules:
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OH, and if you decrypt your CD's with a piece of software that circumvents the CSS encryption, you are in violation of the DMCA, no ifs, ands or buts. You can say you aren't because of 'fair use', but in the eyes of the law, you are guilty of violating the DMCA. That will be the case until we see a higher court overturn the DMCA, or rule for a defendant in a fair-use suit.
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Support the EFF and write your congressman if you think fair use is being trampled on. Check out HR 1201. It's an amendment to the DCMA currently in committe in Congress.
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wow, this whole thing reminds me about the speed limit and radar detectors.....It's legal to speed I guess, as long as you don't get caught.
![]() As far as this topic, all I can say is I thank (insert your god of choice) "......" I bought a certain 321 STUDIO product 2 days before they went RF (ripper free)! I back up OWED (Bought and PAID for) DVDs for the kids to use. I'm not about to let my 6 year old play with the $30 copy of a limited edition of BAMBI for him to ruin or smudge up! The law as it reads is designed to confuse and keep anything from happening quickly. Someone needs to fire all those lawyers and start righting laws that are SIMPLE and without catch 22 loop holes..... a mean, what sense does it make to say it's not illegal to copy something, but it's illegal to have the tools to do it with? So how do we copy it if we don't have the tools? ![]() Just my 2 cents worth. |
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My opinion is simple. Eff the lawyers and eff the laws which say copying a DVD is illegal.
I bought the damn DVD, therefore I own it! Nobody can tell me otherwise, even if there is a piece of paper with the acronym DCMA saying it's illegal. I have the right to do with this DVD whatever I want in the confines of my own home. As for distributing a backed up DVD/CD outside of your home (yes this means the internet even though it is in your home, hehe), I agree with whatever law is in place saying it is illegal.
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That's my view as well mike.
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