Make Sage Use Recycle Bin ??

[camshaft]

Is there any way to make sage use the windows recycle bin? I have deleted shows that WAF have not watched yet and wished I could go to recycle bin and just hit restore to fix my mistake. If this can not be done yet I would like to request this as a feature for future versions.

[ldavis]

Originally Posted by camshaft

Is there any way to make sage use the windows recycle bin? I have deleted shows that WAF have not watched yet and wished I could go to recycle bin and just hit restore to fix my mistake. If this can not be done yet I would like to request this as a feature for future versions.

Unless you have avery large bin many shows would need to be deleted immediately anyway. Bin size is adjustable from XP but the larger the bin the smaller the useful size of the drive.

[jtt88]

This isn't a bad idea. It doesn't have to use Windows recycle bin either. Just like shows are flagged as Watched or Archived, they could just be flagged as Deleted in Sage, but not physically deleted until space is needed. Then on the Setup menu or somewhere there could be a menu item to show Deleted Recordings that would list the ones still physically there and could be recovered.

[JonTom]

Originally Posted by jtt88

This isn't a bad idea. It doesn't have to use Windows recycle bin either. Just like shows are flagged as Watched or Archived, they could just be flagged as Deleted in Sage, but not physically deleted until space is needed. Then on the Setup menu or somewhere there could be a menu item to show Deleted Recordings that would list the ones still physically there and could be recovered.

This is a very good idea.

[sleonard]

Originally Posted by jtt88

This isn't a bad idea. It doesn't have to use Windows recycle bin either. Just like shows are flagged as Watched or Archived, they could just be flagged as Deleted in Sage, but not physically deleted until space is needed. Then on the Setup menu or somewhere there could be a menu item to show Deleted Recordings that would list the ones still physically there and could be recovered.

That would be the option to "Delete when space is needed." on the expanded delete options. This leaves the show listed in Sage Recordings though so it may not be exactly what is wanted. I don't believe there is any indication that this option has been chosen either, maybe another icon is needed for this. A little wastebasket to mark that a show is on the delete list?

[SHS]

That where the free handy recovery 1.0 helps
But the key problem is ocen you del in SageTV and try restore in back in that folder that SageTV will just automatic del it againe so restore put in a diff folder.

[gplasky]

Also if you're using the Recycle Bin, what good does it do Sage to delete your file if you need more space on the hard drive? There Sage is deleting files but gaining no more hard drive space because it's in the Recycle Bin. Pretty soon Sage can't record any more.

Gerry

[Opus4]

That's already an issue with something like Norton Recycle Bin, where the file is pseudo-deleted, no space is freed, so another file is 'deleted', and on and on. There are past forum questions wondering where all the recordings have gone.

- Andy

[camshaft]

How about an option to have deleted shows moved to a different location, possibly on a different drive and then only deleted from there after that space is full, such as the recycle bin begins to delete items when it has reached the set size limit. This way you could empty it only after you are sure that you no longer want the file but it would not interfere with sage recording more shows.

[stanger89]

How would that be different than just adding another recording drive?

[aperry]

Originally Posted by Opus4

That's already an issue with something like Norton Recycle Bin, where the file is pseudo-deleted, no space is freed, so another file is 'deleted', and on and on. There are past forum questions wondering where all the recordings have gone.

I've been dealing with the whole Norton Protected Recycle Bin (though not on my Sage machine) and I must agree it is "evil". I have had times where I "run out" of disk space, go in and "empty norton protected files", and whammo!, get back gigs of hard drive space... Very frustrating, and I can see how it would make a Sage machine's life very hard as well, since until you tell it to, the files are not really deleted.

[jlabrue]

Originally Posted by SHS

That where the free handy recovery 1.0 helps
But the key problem is ocen you del in SageTV and try restore in back in that folder that SageTV will just automatic del it againe so restore put in a diff folder.

I like the thought of Handy Recovery but I have yet to have it be successful for me. I have used other utilities in the past that do the same thing and worked. If I delete a file >2Gb it can never recover it. Usually files less than 2Gb I have some success with. I almost always try immediately after deleting and nothing is recording. Could be the 2Gb size causing the issue but almost all of my 1 hour shows are slightly over 2Gb.

I think something like the recycle bin could be intriguing if it was implemented right and didn't require maintenance. It would be hard to accomplish without showing that you have no drive space available since technically your drive would be full until it started to delete something.

[sleonard]

No need to use the Windows recycle bin. Sage could create another view analogous to the Archived Recordings but called Deleted Recordings. When a show is deleted from Sage Recordings its entry would move to the new Deleted Recordings view but stay on disk until either space is needed or Sage is explicitly told to permanently delete it.

An import for this might even be possible to do w/ Studio but I have a feeling it would require core changes.

[SHS]

I never had that problem jlabrue and they well over 4GB

[malbec]

Originally Posted by aperry

I've been dealing with the whole Norton Protected Recycle Bin (though not on my Sage machine) and I must agree it is "evil". I have had times where I "run out" of disk space, go in and "empty norton protected files", and whammo!, get back gigs of hard drive space... Very frustrating, and I can see how it would make a Sage machine's life very hard as well, since until you tell it to, the files are not really deleted.

I have Nortion Protect turned off on the partition I use to record in SageTV, but on fir my data, OS, etc. partitions...

[jlabrue]

Originally Posted by SHS

I never had that problem jlabrue and they well over 4GB

That's cool, I'm glad it is working. I don't know what my issue may be then. I haven't messed with it much or tried to troubleshoot. Since I had success with smaller files thought it might be a size limitation. I'll give it another go if you are able to use it for files >4Gb cause I'm always deleting something before my wife finishes watching it

[jlabrue]

Originally Posted by sleonard

No need to use the Windows recycle bin. Sage could create another view analogous to the Archived Recordings but called Deleted Recordings. When a show is deleted from Sage Recordings its entry would move to the new Deleted Recordings view but stay on disk until either space is needed or Sage is explicitly told to permanently delete it.

An import for this might even be possible to do w/ Studio but I have a feeling it would require core changes.

I LIKE THIS IDEA! Easy and probably easy to implement

[stanger89]

Originally Posted by sleonard

No need to use the Windows recycle bin. Sage could create another view analogous to the Archived Recordings but called Deleted Recordings. When a show is deleted from Sage Recordings its entry would move to the new Deleted Recordings view but stay on disk until either space is needed or Sage is explicitly told to permanently delete it.

OK, I'm confused about what's being requested/suggested. Sage only deletes stuff when it needs room, so what would go into such a folder?

Unless you're talking manual deletions. But then again I never (almost) delete things manually in Sage .

Of course that begs the question, why don't just just leave deletions to Sage? What's described would just seem to further complicate the deletion process (anybody remember how many complaints there were about having to go into a menu to delete recordings?)

[mayamaniac]

stop deleting your wife's shows, or stop manually deleting her shows.

I think the way SageTV handles auto deletion is fine. The only thing I would add is maybe a way to rearrange the deleting priorities, like IR shows first, watch second, etc..

As for the deletion history idea or move to Recycle bin, maybe apply this rule to manual deletions by users only. But SageTV auto deletions should still work as it is currently. This way, if you accidently delete a show, you can still retrieve it.

[sleonard]

Originally Posted by stanger89

OK, I'm confused about what's being requested/suggested. Sage only deletes stuff when it needs room, so what would go into such a folder?

Unless you're talking manual deletions. But then again I never (almost) delete things manually in Sage .

Of course that begs the question, why don't just just leave deletions to Sage? What's described would just seem to further complicate the deletion process (anybody remember how many complaints there were about having to go into a menu to delete recordings?)

Originally Posted by mayamaniac

As for the deletion history idea or move to Recycle bin, maybe apply this rule to manual deletions by users only. But SageTV auto deletions should still work as it is currently. This way, if you accidently delete a show, you can still retrieve it.

Both of you are correct about this being only about manual deletions.

As to why do manual deletions when Sage does such a great job of auto deleting? First off there's manual recordings that don't ever get auto deleted and second I have a large list of recordings to sludge thru and deleting them as soon as they are watched keeps the list managable.

As to why the need to rescucitate my episode of 24 that someone else deleted before I got to see it... Pretty self-explanatory.

Here's a more detailed explanation of my solution above. First look at the behavior of Archived Recordings. I watch a show. I decide to keep it around. I click on the entry in Sage Recordings and from the pop up choose Archive This Show. The entry moves to the Archived Recordings but nothing happens to the actual file.
My solution would be to make a copy of the Archived Recordings functionality and rename it Deleted Recordings. I watch a show. I decide to delete it when finished watching it. The entry for the show moves to the new Deleted Recordings screen, keeping Sage Recordings free of watched shows and thus easier to manage but nothing actually happens to the file on disk. If it is later realized that someone else wanted to watch it they could navigate to the Deleted Recordings screen and choose to restore it to the Sage Recordings screen and watch it. The actual file delete could be an options setting to either follow the same rules for Sages auto delete but for every recording listed, even manual records AND/OR require another explicit command such as Empty Deleted Recordings or Permanently Delete This Recording.