Stop SageTV from recording Watched Shows

[TechBill]

How does one stop SageTV from recording shows that I have set to watched and deleted?

Like series tv shows that are shown weekly and it records all of them fine but when I watch then set it watched and delete it. SageTV would record those tv shows again since I already watched it and it will be marked watched in the recorded show listing so it knew I have watched it but still records it again.

Thanks
Bill

[Opus4]

How does the info in this FAQ compare to the shows you are talking about?

Did the shows re-air soon after you watched them the first time? If they are on again before the scheduler has time to take its watched status into account, it could record again, as far as I know. And, have you extended the lookahead time for the scheduler? If so, that could cause the scheduler to take longer to complete.

- Andy

[TechBill]

Originally Posted by Opus4

How does the info in this FAQ compare to the shows you are talking about?

Did the shows re-air soon after you watched them the first time? If they are on again before the scheduler has time to take its watched status into account, it could record again, as far as I know. And, have you extended the lookahead time for the scheduler? If so, that could cause the scheduler to take longer to complete.

- Andy

I don't think I watched the show and it was re-airing it within 3 days but I will keep that in mind next time and try to remember if any of the watched shows that are recorded again was a show I watched within 3 days.

No It still at the default 3 day scheduler.

One thing I noticed is that when I go to schedule and check all show it going to record in the following 3 days and if I see some shows I have seen before I would set it watched then it would disppear from the scheduler list.
But I could had sworn that in previous SageTV versions that it would delete from scheduler list right away as soon I set it watched and in SageTV 6.2.10 when I set it watched it would be several minutes before it would disappeared from scheduler list. Is this normal?



Thanks
Bill

[tmiranda]

Bill,

Sage uses the ShowID to keep track if a show is watched or not. If the show is re-aired and has a different showID, Sage will record it again. No way to avoid that as far as I know.

Tom

[Opus4]

Originally Posted by TechBill

I don't think I watched the show and it was re-airing it within 3 days but I will keep that in mind next time and try to remember if any of the watched shows that are recorded again was a show I watched within 3 days.

I don't mean it would record again if aired within the next 3 days, I mean if you watch a show, delete it, & then it reairs in the next half hour or so.

One thing I noticed is that when I go to schedule and check all show it going to record in the following 3 days and if I see some shows I have seen before I would set it watched then it would disppear from the scheduler list.
But I could had sworn that in previous SageTV versions that it would delete from scheduler list right away as soon I set it watched and in SageTV 6.2.10 when I set it watched it would be several minutes before it would disappeared from scheduler list. Is this normal?

Yes. As your database gets larger and/or you have more channels in the EPG, it takes longer to complete the scheduling update process.

But... I thought you said you were ending up with new recordings that were already marked as Watched? Is that right? I forgot to mention at least 1 reason: if you leave live TV playing & the show happens to be on, it will get recorded again & marked as watched.

- Andy

[TechBill]

I am aware about ShowID and SageTV was recording those watched shows I marked watched and deleted like a week ago again and marking them watched in "Recorded Shows" but it not doing it anymore since I look ahead and saw several shows in guide that been marked watched and are not in the scheduler list which is good.

Let me put it in another way. Shows are appearing in "Recorded Shows" already marked as watched which I knew I recorded a week ago and deleted them but they are being show again a week later and yet being recorded again by SageTV when it already knew it been watched and marking them watched after it recorded it But it seem to stop doing it.

Maybe it was just a flute that it happened.


Bill

[CollinR]

Originally Posted by TechBill

Maybe it was just a flute that it happened.

Bill

Was it a Monk or a Survivorman?


I have noticed each has 1-2 episodes with the same ID that have been recorded twice watched or not. It's odd but I have only noticed it 3-4 times total.

[TechBill]

I have lots of series shows set up to record all my shows I like watching whenever it avaiable on any channels.

I wanted to recored the show first time it been on the air and the old reruns in case there were some show I missed in the past so I set Show Type to FirstRuns and ReRuns thinking that what it should be set to.

But I am having issue where all the watched shows that was recorded in the past are being recorded again so I am wondering if FirstRuns mean if it never been recoreded on SageTV then it will get recorded no matter if the show itself is a first time on air or a rerun?

Reason I am confused because it an off and on thing. Sometime it skips the watched show and not record it which is what I wanted but sometime it does record the watched show which I already had it recorded on SageTV before but I deleted it after setting it to watched.

Is there another setting on SageTV that I may have missed?

Basically I want it to record all my series I like both first time aired and the reruns and lot of reruns I just look in show description and know I seen it so I set to watched and delete it or set it to watch in scheduled show before it even get recorded but sometime it still ignore the watched status and still records it on time.


Thank you
Bill

* merged *

[TechBill]

Will repost in the proper forum.

Thank you
Bill

[Opus4]

Originally Posted by TechBill

Oh by the way to lessen the confusion in the Series setting menu

The way it is now

Save
Cancel
Cancel Series


With those 2 different cancel so close to each other, I would change the Cancel Series to Remove Series.

Just a suggestion for future versions.

This must be from SageMC, since it has nothing to do with the default UI.


Please keep customizations requests and questions in the customizations forum.



So... is your question about SageMC, or about how SageTV deals with watched shows?

This FAQ may answer your questions about watched shows being recorded again -- if SageTV can tell the difference between episodes, it can remember that it was watched. If all the episodes have the same generic info, then it can't know what was watched.

If you are getting shows recorded again that are already marked as Watched, then you need to use the default STV w/o any customizations at all to see what happens.

- Andy

[TechBill]

Originally Posted by Opus4

This must be from SageMC, since it has nothing to do with the default UI.


Please keep customizations requests and questions in the customizations forum.



So... is your question about SageMC, or about how SageTV deals with watched shows?

This FAQ may answer your questions about watched shows being recorded again -- if SageTV can tell the difference between episodes, it can remember that it was watched. If all the episodes have the same generic info, then it can't know what was watched.

If you are getting shows recorded again that are already marked as Watched, then you need to use the default STV w/o any customizations at all to see what happens.

- Andy

I am getting show already marked watched again. Even SageTV know it was watched and mark it watched in my recorded showings.

I had this problem in default SageTV when I first start using it and I asked about it before in this forum several month ago which was before I started using SageMC.

http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28024

I wasn't really getting anywhere with this post so I deicded to drop it and just deal with it cuz it doesn't happen all the time but it does happen several time a week unless it was a day where they have marathon re-run on certain shows and that really sucks cuz I had to go thur them all and read each show descriptions just to make sure I already watched it even if it have a watched status on it before I delete them.

I am still tolerating with this but I wanted to see if I can stop this completely so I been looking at EPG for shows that are hours ahead of time to see if there are re-runs and if they are marked as watched and I do find re-runs that some re-runs that are marked as watched and are not in the upcoming record schdule showtime still got recorded and saved with a watched status.

Like I said it always doesn't happens but it does happens, perhaps you got a bug somewhere in SageTV on this issue.

Bill

[Opus4]

I merged this with the original topic. I made some comments above about what could cause this, but I'll reiterate one of them: if you are watching live TV, this could happen because the shows get recorded then too. Note that live TV includes having video play as the menu background or in a preview window. Not only that, but they will get recorded and marked as watched at the same time.

If nothing I've suggested above applies, then perhaps you should submit a report to SageTV to see what they have to say about it because, normally, already-watched shows are not re-recorded.

- Andy

[TechBill]

Originally Posted by Opus4

I merged this with the original topic. I made some comments above about what could cause this, but I'll reiterate one of them: if you are watching live TV, this could happen because the shows get recorded then too. Note that live TV includes having video play as the menu background or in a preview window. Not only that, but they will get recorded and marked as watched at the same time.

If nothing I've suggested above applies, then perhaps you should submit a report to SageTV to see what they have to say about it because, normally, already-watched shows are not re-recorded.

- Andy

When you mention live tv. Now since I have start using HTPC I rarely ever watch live show again because I like commerical-free show.

But I am wondering if it could be the case where I missed an episode and when there is like a all day marathon for a show which is showing a season worth of episode that I pretty much have watched it all but missed one.

Then SageTV would tune into this one channel to record the episode I missed and since it have no other show to record for the day it doesn't tune into any other channels and keep recording and saving the remaining episodes all day long which I already watched and deleted from SageTV in the past.

Can that be the case?

My job require me to travel a lot and I am gone for 2-3 weeks at a time so I come home with 500+gig worth of shows saved on harddrive and quite a few of them are watched shows but I noticed mostly from episode marathon re-runs because I can see they were all recorded at the same date at each hour.

I think I am starting to notice it recording and saving watched shows on chanenl it was previously recording a show since it had no other schedule show to record so it doesn't change channel after recording.


Isn't there a way to set it that a watched show mean "DO NOT SAVE THAT SHOW AND DELETE IT" after the show ends like every other shows that are not in schedule list.

Also it happens sometime but some shows that I never watch before get marked watched in the recorded list. I think same thing SageTV tune into the channel and recorded 3 different shows on same channel and the first one is not marked watched however the next 2 is marked watched and I have not watched it yet or mark it watched.


Bill

[Opus4]

Do you have live TV paused? Maybe it is set to play in a preview window or as the BG menu, but SageTV is left at a menu where the video isn't shown or is paused. I'm not sure why else you would end up with some shows watched & some not watched if this is live TV related. When it is not paused, then anything recorded & played live will be marked as watched, so that would fit your comment that some shows you've never watched are marked as watched.

If you watch live TV, the bext thing to do is remember to stop playback when you are finished, or put SageTV into standby.

- Andy

[TechBill]

Originally Posted by Opus4

Do you have live TV paused? Maybe it is set to play in a preview window or as the BG menu, but SageTV is left at a menu where the video isn't shown or is paused. I'm not sure why else you would end up with some shows watched & some not watched if this is live TV related. When it is not paused, then anything recorded & played live will be marked as watched, so that would fit your comment that some shows you've never watched are marked as watched.

If you watch live TV, the bext thing to do is remember to stop playback when you are finished, or put SageTV into standby.

- Andy

I don't have preview windows enabled because I am deaf and the closed caption are too tiny to read in preview windows so I had it disabled.

There are times when I left the live tv running while I fell asleep or went to the store. I leave my TV on 24 hour a day mostly on news broadcasting channels and hardly ever turn if off. Is there a way to set that live tv will not set the recording watched and only user input can set it watched or not?

I do always had a habit of going to main menu and turning off tv before leaving town so does that make TV paused then?


Bill

[Opus4]

Originally Posted by TechBill

I do always had a habit of going to main menu and turning off tv before leaving town so does that make TV paused then?

Yes -- if you don't stop playback, then going to a menu where the video isn't playing simply pauses it. That seems to fit your description of what is happening.

Instead of just going to a menu & leaving it, use the Stop command to exit playback & return to a menu, or use the power off command.

There are times when I left the live tv running while I fell asleep or went to the store. I leave my TV on 24 hour a day mostly on news broadcasting channels and hardly ever turn if off. Is there a way to set that live tv will not set the recording watched and only user input can set it watched or not?

Not that I know of.

But, since you use SageMC, you should probably check to see what options it has for this situation. There may be a sleep timer or something you could set to automatically turn SageTV off after a certain amount of time.

- Andy