Overlapping recordings?

[Rupp]

Guys,
New Sage user wondering what will happen if Sage is recording one of the shows that goes into the next hour by a minute or 2 and another show is scheduled to start recording on the hour. Thanks in advance.

[Opus4]

Assuming they are both Favorites:

If you have 1 tuner, SageTV will try to schedule them at different times, if either one has additional airings. If there are no other airings, it will generate a conflict. The higher priority Favorite would get recorded.

If you have multiple tuners: The scheduler will try to record both shows using separate tuners, unless that generates other conflicts with other Favs.

If the first one is recorded, the second one might get recorded anyway, starting a little late -- perhaps because SageTV sees that it is a Fav that isn't re-airing... and maybe it would be better to have some of the 2nd show rather than none of it. (I haven't experienced this one since I rarely have conflicts on my system, but I have seen other people say it happened.)

- Andy

[steven017]

Hey. I'm by no means an expert, but I've had this kind of problem recently too. Here's what I've found.

I'm using the pretty much the default stv for now, with just a few plugins and customizations. If I try to schedule a show as you've suggested, it creates a conflict and I must choose which show to record--one or the other.

However, I have found a workaround that works for me. I'm sure others have done the same.

Note that if you mean a shows goes long, like a sporting event, SageTV wouldn't know that a show has gone over it's allotted recording time, at least from what I understand. So, there's probably not much you can do in that case, although I might be wrong.

However, if what you mean is that one show ends at 11:01 and the next show starts at 11:00, you can work around it. Schedule the second show first, and then adjust its start time to 11:01. Then schedule your first show.

At that point you can leave it if you like, but my preference is usually to change it so my first show ends 1 minute early, as this is usually commercials anyways.

Incidentally, if you try to schedule the first show first and adjust its ending time, for some reason you still will have a conflict that does not allow you to schedule the second show. I'm not sure why this happens.

Anyways, this should allow you to schedule both shows. I have this happen occasionally, as Japanese TV tends to start and finish at odd times.

Steve

[JREkiwi]

I have seen it record a partial show when there are no other airings. I've also seen SageTV delete a partial recording like that if "Delete Live TV files when not using Intelligent Recording" is enabled.

John

[sTVb]

I have to say this is one of my peeves with Sage: it should really be smart enough to eliminate padding on favorites if it needs to or at least offer that as a resolution for the conflict.

[Opus4]

Originally Posted by sTVb

I have to say this is one of my peeves with Sage: it should really be smart enough to eliminate padding on favorites if it needs to or at least offer that as a resolution for the conflict.

There is an option to remove padding on back to back Favs on the same channel.

But, I don't think this topic is about padding -- it seems to be referring to shows that don't start/stop on the hour. Lately, quite a few shows are scheduled by the networks to start/stop a minute or two early/late. Padding isn't even involved in this case, unless you decide to use negative padding so that the scheduled recordings won't overlap.

- Andy

[waynedunham]

Originally Posted by Opus4

But, I don't think this topic is about padding -- it seems to be referring to shows that don't start/stop on the hour. Lately, quite a few shows are scheduled by the networks to start/stop a minute or two early/late. Padding isn't even involved in this case, unless you decide to use negative padding so that the scheduled recordings won't overlap.

- Andy

That's one of my Pet Peeves, networks who can't tell time. Shows should not begin airing until xx:xx:01 and MUST finish ALL programming/credits/outtakes by xx:xx:59

I had another pet peeve really get me PO'ed the other night. ABC broke into a program to give an update on one of the primaries. After they finished they said "we not return you to our regularly scheduled programming" and promptly went back to the commercials. So instead of doing their update instead of the commercials they did it instead of the program!!
Sorry for threadjacking, I just had to vent.

[Mark57]

Originally Posted by waynedunham

That's one of my Pet Peeves, networks who can't tell time. Shows should not begin airing until xx:xx:01 and MUST finish ALL programming/credits/outtakes by xx:xx:59

Adding tuners is about the only long term way past that issue. The networks seem to work hard at making us work harder to record our stuff.

Originally Posted by waynedunham

I had another pet peeve really get me PO'ed the other night. ABC broke into a program to give an update on one of the primaries. After they finished they said "we not return you to our regularly scheduled programming" and promptly went back to the commercials. So instead of doing their update instead of the commercials they did it instead of the program!!
Sorry for threadjacking, I just had to vent.

I saw the same thing happen twice on the same show. I was also less than pleased.

Tim the tool man like "more power" so I guess our mantra is add more tuners . . . . and then HDD space.

[waynedunham]

Originally Posted by Mark57

Adding tuners is about the only long term way past that issue. The networks seem to work hard at making us work harder to record our stuff.

Yea, I need more tuners (only have 6 now, 4 Std Def, and an HDHR), but I'm waiting for the new component capture device to hit the streets then I can slowly go all digital.

Originally Posted by Mark57

I saw the same thing happen twice on the same show. I was also less than pleased.

Tim the tool man like "more power" so I guess our mantra is add more tuners . . . . and then HDD space.

.....and don't get me started on the way they handle sports......

[steven017]

Originally Posted by waynedunham

That's one of my Pet Peeves, networks who can't tell time. Shows should not begin airing until xx:xx:01 and MUST finish ALL programming/credits/outtakes by xx:xx:59.

That's too funny. Amazing that they would inconvenience you/us like that. What were they thinking? Do you tell the grocery store, pharmacy, movie theater, etc., etc. when they should be open or play movies too?

I think they can tell time. I just think they're not as worried about it as you are.

UPDATE:
I'm editing this because I think the tone is all wrong. I wasn't trying to make fun of you. I was only meaning to poke fun at the comment you made. I think you are right, if they say/publish that a show WILL finish at xx:xx:59 and/or start at xx:xx:01. But I think they have the right to start and end shows as they see fit, depending on circumstances, especially if the schedule is set in that manner. Anyways, I just wanted to try to lighten this up and explain myself.

Cheers.

Steve

[Mark57]

Originally Posted by waynedunham

Yea, I need more tuners (only have 6 now, 4 Std Def, and an HDHR), but I'm waiting for the new component capture device to hit the streets then I can slowly go all digital.

.....and don't get me started on the way they handle sports......

LOL, I agree with you 100%. I'm really starting to get more annoyed by all the little animations and scrolling junk they're putting on the bottom of the broadcasts.

Originally Posted by steven017

I just think they're not as worried about it as you are . . . . .

I appreciated your sarcasm. Funny post. They have us over a barrel, backed into the corner, so to speak and they know it. But I enjoy a good challenge. Besides, I ultimately win. I can turn it off and go read a book or watch a favorite movie DVD.

[PhillJones]

Originally Posted by Mark57

Adding tuners is about the only long term way past that issue. The networks seem to work hard at making us work harder to record our stuff.

I think there's a lot of truth to this. Last season I'm pretty sure Gray's Anatomy and ER, both shows my wife loves, were playing cat and mouse in the schedule, shifting by a minute here and a minute there. I think the ER schedulers were trying to generate conflicts for DVRs to stop people recording Gray's Anatomy.

[waynedunham]

Originally Posted by steven017

That's too funny. Amazing that they would inconvenience you/us like that. What were they thinking? Do you tell the grocery store, pharmacy, movie theater, etc., etc. when they should be open or play movies too?

I think they can tell time. I just think they're not as worried about it as you are.

UPDATE:
I'm editing this because I think the tone is all wrong. I wasn't trying to make fun of you. I was only meaning to poke fun at the comment you made. I think you are right, if they say/publish that a show WILL finish at xx:xx:59 and/or start at xx:xx:01. But I think they have the right to start and end shows as they see fit, depending on circumstances, especially if the schedule is set in that manner. Anyways, I just wanted to try to lighten this up and explain myself.

Cheers.

Steve

No offense taken Steve. However you do realize that there is one and only one reason for regular network shows to not start/stop at the top/bottom of the hour, and that reason is to keep you from changing the channel.
It's a severely flawed theory, but they believe in it wholeheartedly. The first one to come up with this scheme was TBS back when it first started. All their shows started at 5 minutes past the hour/half-hour.

I just hate the fact that I nearly have to double the #of tuners I need to record my shows simply because the networks are starting/stopping programs at odd times. And they seem to be doing it more and more frequently. First it was NBC playing fast and loose with start/end times on "Must See Thursday" and now it's spread to the other networks. ABC is one of the worst offenders now, possibly even more than NBC.

If there's a show on CBS at 8pm and one on ABC at 9pm I should only need one tuner, but now I need 2 and have to add a bunch of padding on both ends for both programs to ensure I get all of the programs. It gets much worse when you record more programs.

[steven017]

Hey waynedunham,

Good post. I like the fact that you explained your other post in a clear, well-reasoned manner.

As I mentioned earlier, this is very common here in Japan. I would say it's almost rare for a show TO start at xx:xx:00, unless it's on satellite. Shows on satellite almost always start exactly on the hour.

I'm just so used to it that it doesn't seem a problem to me. When I have a conflict like this, I just adjust might start and ending times to record both shows. You see, I only have one capture card, so I do what I can do, and I can't even imagine right now getting two.

I'm thinking the differences in our situations make our perspective different. If I was in your shoes, I'd probably feel the same way.

Steve

[IVB]

I know from another forum that Rupp (the OP) is doing strictly antenna broadcasts. Rupp - if that's still true, you should definitely get multiple tuners. I would think you can do multiple HDHR's, in which case you'd have 4 tuners and god help you if you still have conflicts cuz man you've got a lot of concurrent or back-back favorites :-)

[CollinR]

Mo tuna Rupp!

[Rupp]

Originally Posted by IVB

I know from another forum that Rupp (the OP) is doing strictly antenna broadcasts. Rupp - if that's still true, you should definitely get multiple tuners. I would think you can do multiple HDHR's, in which case you'd have 4 tuners and god help you if you still have conflicts cuz man you've got a lot of concurrent or back-back favorites :-)

Yep. It looks like another tuner is in my future. Once you have more than one tuner do I have to tell Sage which one to use or is it "smart" enough to figure that out? Is windows XP smart enough to see 2 tuners of the same type and brand?

[CollinR]

It's automatic if they are both ATSC tuners then put them on the same channel lineup and it will use whichever is available.

Also do realize you can plug in other items to the S Video ports like DVD changer or whatnot. Then map that to an unused channel like 0 or 1.

[IVB]

The HDHR is a dual-tuner box, so if you're going to buy something you can get that and double your pleasure.