Switch to Windows 7 ?

[tsitalon1]

Hey guys,

I've read some Windows 7 threads and things seem promising. Is everone still happy with the Windows 7 Sagetv setup? I would be using it for playback as well, any issues with playback?

I'm getting alot of playback exceptions randomly would like to try to increase my WAF.

[Djc208]

When I checked last week you can't download the Beta any more (at least no from MS) so you'd have to wait with the rest of us for the official release or possibly a second beta or RC.

[S_M_E]

Originally Posted by tsitalon1

Hey guys,

I've read some Windows 7 threads and things seem promising. Is everone still happy with the Windows 7 Sagetv setup? I would be using it for playback as well, any issues with playback?

I'm getting alot of playback exceptions randomly would like to try to increase my WAF.

An extender might increase your WAF more than W7 but it really depends on why you're getting exceptions. If you're trying to play unsupported formats, nothing will help...

[tsitalon1]

DJ - I still have the beta ISO image and another key

SME - Playback error on supported files....works fine for hours, stops working, then I simply reset it (back to the same settings) in Sagetv detailed detup and all is well again for a few hours...weird..can't pin point it..

your right a HD extender might...but win7 would be cooler

Do either of you two have win7 + Sagetv experience?

Anyone know if firestb drivers/app work with Win7?

[S_M_E]

Originally Posted by tsitalon1

your right a HD extender might...but win7 would be cooler

Do either of you two have win7 + Sagetv experience?

I don't know that it would be "cooler." Moving the server out of sight might increase the WAF all by itself. Also, W7beta has a timebomb built in so your WAF will go down in August when W7b stops working and you have to pay full price for the new OS. The price of W7 might pay for an extender.

I have W7 experience but not with Sage. I use WHS for my server and I use my W7 box remotely (it's in the garage) so it's not suitable for Sage client/placeshifter either. Sage over VNC is ugly, even on a gigabit LAN.

[tsitalon1]

Originally Posted by S_M_E

I don't know that it would be "cooler." Moving the server out of sight might increase the WAF all by itself. Also, W7beta has a timebomb built in so your WAF will go down in August when W7b stops working and you have to pay full price for the new OS. The price of W7 might pay for an extender.

I have W7 experience but not with Sage. I use WHS for my server and I use my W7 box remotely (it's in the garage) so it's not suitable for Sage client/placeshifter either. Sage over VNC is ugly, even on a gigabit LAN.

Point taken I will consider.

Anyone else with win7 + sagetv experience?

[Brent]

Originally Posted by tsitalon1

Anyone else with win7 + sagetv experience?

I'm testing W7 on my test rig and have SageTV running on it just fine.

I love the look of W7 MC and it is improved from VMC, but it really has most of the same things missing from it that kept me from using it for my HTPC setup in the first place. MS has moved it slowly in the right direction, but not enough for the true enthusiast imo.

[Ryokurin]

I'm considering 7 simply because I have my system running Vista Ultimate and I'm tired of VMC getting in the way when I accidentally hit the green button on my keyboard. Allegedly you'll be able to uninstall VMC if you choose in the final version of 7.

If Vista home basic had Aero that would be good enough as the only reason I'm running Ultimate on it was because I got it for free. The only thing that stops me from paying the $99 is that the lack of Aero makes me wonder if it has desktop compostion support. DC is required as it enables vsync and stops a video tearing problem I had when running XP. I rather not have to deal with reclock if I don't have to, and I rather not spend $200 on a business license if I don't have to.

[HelenWeathers]

Originally Posted by Ryokurin

I'm considering 7 simply because I have my system running Vista Ultimate and I'm tired of VMC getting in the way when I accidentally hit the green button on my keyboard. Allegedly you'll be able to uninstall VMC if you choose in the final version of 7.

Have you tried this in Vista: Control Panel, Default Programs, Set Program Access and Computer Defaults, Custom - look at "Choose a default media player" section, then remove the checkmark from "Enable Access to This Program" to the right of "Windows Media Center".

That stopped VMC in it's tracks for me - no more Green Button issues.

[Clift]

Another option is to use the sagetvlauncher app from Babgvant. Just make a small registry tweak to launch the program at startup instead of ehome and it "mutes" all VMC calls for you. It will actually kill the ehome service if it accidentally starts. It launches SageTV when you push the green button if SageTV isn't running. If it is running windowed it goes full screen. Simple program that does what it advertises.

[Ryokurin]

Originally Posted by Clift

Another option is to use the sagetvlauncher app from Babgvant. Just make a small registry tweak to launch the program at startup instead of ehome and it "mutes" all VMC calls for you. It will actually kill the ehome service if it accidentally starts. It launches SageTV when you push the green button if SageTV isn't running. If it is running windowed it goes full screen. Simple program that does what it advertises.

Thanks! I didn't know he updated it. I was still using tray and LM Remote KeyMap, which was working fine until I got a MCE keyboard which launched MCE even with those two in place. tvlauncher is doing the trick!

[jdamore]

Originally Posted by S_M_E

I don't know that it would be "cooler." Moving the server out of sight might increase the WAF all by itself. Also, W7beta has a timebomb built in so your WAF will go down in August when W7b stops working and you have to pay full price for the new OS. The price of W7 might pay for an extender.

I have W7 experience but not with Sage. I use WHS for my server and I use my W7 box remotely (it's in the garage) so it's not suitable for Sage client/placeshifter either. Sage over VNC is ugly, even on a gigabit LAN.

Once the beta trial hits the end, do you have to nuke the beta and reinstall the release ver.? Or, can you just enter the new key into the beta?

[S_M_E]

Originally Posted by jdamore

Once the beta trial hits the end, do you have to nuke the beta and reinstall the release ver.? Or, can you just enter the new key into the beta?

The way the expiration warning is worded, it sounds like you *might* be able to do an "upgrade" install over the beta but it could require a clean install, which is better when talking about beta upgrades anyway.

[tsitalon1]

Originally Posted by jdamore

Once the beta trial hits the end, do you have to nuke the beta and reinstall the release ver.? Or, can you just enter the new key into the beta?

Thats the question

[stevech]

I have Win 7 running here. Truthfully, if you ignore the eye-candy, and UAC, it's identical to XP. Same old control panel, same old NTFS. Different GUI.

Sad, sad effort by Microsoft to re-start a revenue stream for the company since the market saturated with XP and Office 2003. Only with a monopoly can this be done.

All we really needed was a change to XP that has a pop-up that says "Allow this script or exe to install itself in the registry?"

[PLUCKYHD]

I wouldn't say it is the same as xp. It has some nice features. i love the new taskbar and the ability to right click on things like ie and see the last visited websites. i think it has some nice features.

now on the media center end it is all eye candy additions.

[wayner]

Originally Posted by PLUCKYHD

now on the media center end it is all eye candy additions.

I don't know that I would say that adding H.264 is a major improvement that will likely allow MC to work with a HD-PVR.

[PLUCKYHD]

Originally Posted by wayner

I don't know that I would say that adding H.264 is a major improvement that will likely allow MC to work with a HD-PVR.

Yeah if this every happens I think it will but I also think 100% microsoft will drm it. That is just their way "keep hollywood happy" screw the users.

[redondo_se]

Does anyone know if the Windows 7 H.264 decoder is made by microsoft, or is it just re-licensed from cyberlink or someone else?

[Ryokurin]

Its built to use media foundation, so it, and the ASP mpeg-4 decoder is mostly not usable outside of windows media player/media center at the moment.

In the future media foundation will replace directshow, but I wouldn't worry about ds becoming useless in 7.