Don't forget about the OSX clients

[soulprops77]

We do not currently have Mac versions of V7 available; and do not have target dates for them yet. The V6 placeshifter for the Mac will function when connected to a V7 server.

That is from the official beta 7 notification thread.

I was disappointed at the lack of a time frame, but the above lines do certainly confirm that Mac version are coming. . . Someday. . .

[stuckless]

Originally Posted by heffneil

To you others about the mac licenses you are blaming apple for the software manufacturers problems. They are the ones that should allow it. Have you looked at the price of quickbooks for the PC vs Mac? Its a huge difference for no good reason except that it is less of a user base and requires equal if not more development.

Wouldn't that actually make sense, that the Mac software would cost a lot more than the Windows version. I mean, if it takes the same amount of effort to create both products, but the Mac sales potential is only 4% of the desktop market, wouldn't you expect the Mac software to cost a lot more, since they have to sell a lot of it to cover the equal development costs.

That being said, I'm a Ubuntu Linux user, with less than 1% of the desktop market share, so I'm no way encouraging Sage to price tier their products and I'm just glad that they do have the Linux versions out at the same time as the Windows versions, especially given how few of us there are

I can see, from a business point of view, why Sage would release the Windows version first, since probably 90+% of their users are probably Windows users. Even though Mac has 4 times the desktop share than Linux, I doubt it's true within the Sage community. I would figure that Mac and Linux users are probably pretty close to the same (I'm guessing).

[MCE-Refugee]

We do not currently have Mac versions of V7 available; and do not have target dates for them yet. The V6 placeshifter for the Mac will function when connected to a V7 server.

Originally Posted by soulprops77

That is from the official beta 7 notification thread.

I was disappointed at the lack of a time frame, but the above lines do certainly confirm that Mac version are coming. . . Someday. . .

Now I am feeling even more unsettled as that simply confirms the present status i.e. no Mac version available. It certainly doesn't confirm that Mac versions are coming at all. At the very least it should be straightforward to produce V7 Client & Placeshifter versions for Mac.

[gplasky]

We do not currently have Mac versions of V7 available; and do not have target dates for them yet. The V6 placeshifter for the Mac will function when connected to a V7 server.

Originally Posted by MCE-Refugee

Now I am feeling even more unsettled as that simply confirms the present status i.e. no Mac version available. It certainly doesn't confirm that Mac versions are coming at all. At the very least it should be straightforward to produce V7 Client & Placeshifter versions for Mac.

I would think the mere mention of target dates would indicate the intention of a Mac version of SageTV 7.

And why at the very least should it just be straightforward to create a version 7 Mac SageTV? Are you also involved in the coding of this? And maybe is it straight forward but their resources are limited. Who knows. The Mac stuff has always trailed the development of the Windows/Linux stuff and will probably continue to do so. So it's business as usual.

Gerry

[heffneil]

I can't get my version 6 client to connect to my 7 server? It says they need to be running the same versions. Anyone see the same problem or have 6 client on osxconnecting successfully to 7 server?

Thanks,

Neil

[jphipps]

Right now, you can only connect to a v7 server with the mac placeshifter. They haven't released the mac client yet.

Thanks,
Jeff

[GregT]

ZZZzzzz...

One foot out the door...

[heffneil]

I am really wishing for the beta too. I need to run a client on my machine for testing. It just isn't convenient without it!

[MCE-Refugee]

Originally Posted by heffneil

I am really wishing for the beta too. I need to run a client on my machine for testing. It just isn't convenient without it!

I too cannot upgrade my Windows SageTV Server to V7 as I am using Mac clients along with HD200. To use the V6 Placeshifter with a V7 server I would have to purchase several Placeshifter licenses (maybe that is the Sage plan to maximise revenue:-)

[ultrajones]

Any word on when the client beta will be available for the MAC?

[sandor]

Originally Posted by ultrajones

Any word on when the client beta will be available for the MAC?

none yet, the original announcement gave no time line. ...the only good part is that my sage server has been rock steady for quite a long time now, i really am itching to "break" it, but alas, i no longer have a discrete windows computer in the house.

[flavius]

ETA?

The current placeshifter does barely work - well, and the client has been a mess for a while anyway.

* merged *

[sandor]

Originally Posted by flavius

ETA?

The current placeshifter does barely work - well, and the client has been a mess for a while anyway.

* merged *

no word. i waver between highly agitated and somewhat unconcerned. my sage setup has never been more stable to the point i don't even think about it, but i am itching to "break" it with a new round of betas...

[GregT]

I find myself wavering between highly agitated, and wondering if I'm being unreasonable with my expectation.

I only know it's being handled differently than I would, if I were the one trying to retain customers grow my business.

My V6 system is stable, but it certainly has it's irritations that I keep hoping will be better in V7. Being so late to the game, if Mac users do get V7, we'll be months behind he curve on ironing out problems.

Being the curious creature I am, I installed EyeTV to see what that is all about these days. It's performance with the HD-PVR is better, and it's using far less processor time than Sage. It's very solid and polished. That being said, I'm not enjoying the OSG or channel navigation, and it's lack of a true client means it's still not yet a whole-house solution. I know, you can stream via VLC. I tried that. It's a hack at best, not a solid everyday use solution for streaming live TV to a client. I know, they have an app to stream to iPad/iPhone. I want to stream to other TVs.

[Naylia]

You won't see an ETA. Sage has never really done ETAs. One day, it'll just be there. At most there'll be like a leak to GeekTonic 12 hours early, but until then.....

[sandor]

Originally Posted by GregT

...Being the curious creature I am, I installed EyeTV to see what that is all about these days. It's performance with the HD-PVR is better, and it's using far less processor time than Sage. It's very solid and polished. That being said, I'm not enjoying the OSG or channel navigation, and it's lack of a true client means it's still not yet a whole-house solution. I know, you can stream via VLC. I tried that. It's a hack at best, not a solid everyday use solution for streaming live TV to a client. I know, they have an app to stream to iPad/iPhone. I want to stream to other TVs.

i hear ya. EyeTV is *the* Macintosh solution. But for the past year i have grown to love the HD200, so much so that it is hard to consider moving to EyeTV.

[flavius]

Originally Posted by Naylia

You won't see an ETA. Sage has never really done ETAs. One day, it'll just be there. At most there'll be like a leak to GeekTonic 12 hours early, but until then.....

The latest info they gave put's the mac stuff at the bottom of the barrel. I'll be good if that changes and we'll know about it. You are right, they do do ETA's, of course, but they do *word*.

[nick_l]

Originally Posted by GregT

I find myself wavering between highly agitated, and wondering if I'm being unreasonable with my expectation.

I only know it's being handled differently than I would, if I were the one trying to retain customers grow my business.

If one were trying to grow their business, especially a small business such as Sage, they would be crazy to spend any development dollars creating a server product on such an insignificant platform as OSX. You would pour your limited money into making the best product possible for the platform the +90 percent of the planet already uses. Even a client for OSX would be a highly speculative product unless much of the code could be ported over. I think sometimes mac users forget how truly small the install base of OSX is.

A much better use of limited resources would be to develop a client product for the very popular mobile "toys" apple produces, although with the highly subjective approval process that is currently used to allow or deny apps, it would be far from certain that you would ever see your money from that investment either.

Im not saying this to be mean, it's just the economics of running a small company. You should be happy that someone at sage obviously has a soft spot for mac & OSX.

[heffneil]

Let's not debate the number but lets look at it from this perspective.

1. It's java. The development on mac is much smaller than say Microsoft Office on windows vs osx.

2. When I bought the product it supported osx. When I upgraded to 7 no one said osx was no longer supported.

Neil

[MCE-Refugee]

Originally Posted by heffneil

1. It's java. The development on mac is much smaller than say Microsoft Office on windows vs osx.l

It's Java & already available on both Windows & Linux so is multi-platform. The extra work for OS X should be very small for the Client & Placeshifter at least.

From my point of view SageTV Client & Placeshifter on Mac OS X are the important products. Through no fault of Sage there is much better support for TV tuners on Windows than OS X & I can live with a dedicated Windows box that just sits there doing nothing except act as a SageTV server.

SageTV Client & Placeshifter on the iPhone/iPod/iPad would be incredibly cool. There already is such a product for the iPxx from Elgato for EyeTV competitor to SageTV that only runs on Macs.