Don't forget about the OSX clients

[MCE-Refugee]

Originally Posted by sandor

plex and boxee are great for what they are, but the majority of my viewing is still OTA recorded stuff, which neither handles elegantly.

Plex & friends have no TV PVR functionality so are not really an alternative for that aspect of Sage at least.

[MCE-Refugee]

Originally Posted by Brent

Do you guys use Mac as an actual ClientPC or only as Placeshifter?

Not sure what you mean here.

I currently use an HD200 connected to a TV & an HD300 connected to the projector. I use Sage Client on my Mac Pro to be able watch TV in a window on the screen while working. I use Sage Client on my MacBook Pro so that I can watch TV in bed. Possibly Placeshifter would be suitable for my needs on the Macs but I am reluctant to purchase another licence when I already have a functioning setup & Sage V7 is still in beta & the future of the V7 Mac Server, Client & Placeshifter is unknown.

[heffneil]

Probably true. My buddy installed Vuze and he can watch content on his playstation from his directv boxes. You could check that out? Otherwise most of the tv providers are offering a record in one place and watch in many such as Comcast and DirecTV. You pay for it but it might be worth it...

Neil

[sandor]

so the brand new AppleTV runs iOS, it is confirmed, and it is already jail-broken. a sage app for the iOS would be awesome - i'd through my HD200 in the bedroom and put a new $99 AppleTV in the living room. done.

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by sandor

so the brand new AppleTV runs iOS, it is confirmed, and it is already jail-broken. a sage app for the iOS would be awesome - i'd through my HD200 in the bedroom and put a new $99 AppleTV in the living room. done.

Or, you could cough up an extra $50, and get an HD300, with full HD capabilities (Audio AND Video), and no jailbreaking required....

[paulbeers]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

Or, you could cough up an extra $50, and get an HD300, with full HD capabilities (Audio AND Video), and no jailbreaking required....

Shhhh... Steve will not be happy with this response. We must all buy Apple Products......

As a Mac Fan Boi, I have considered buying an AppleTV especially now that it has jailbroken.

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by paulbeers

Shhhh... Steve will not be happy with this response. We must all buy Apple Products......

As a Mac Fan Boi, I have considered buying an AppleTV especially now that it has jailbroken.

Meh.. I've never purchased an apple product.. And the AppleTV is by far the last product that would ever convince me to do so.

[sandor]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

Or, you could cough up an extra $50, and get an HD300, with full HD capabilities (Audio AND Video), and no jailbreaking required....

but photos and music are so much nicer with Apple. and i already use the apple remote app for semi-distributed audio. and netflix is integrated.

[sandor]

the jailbreak app for the apple tv is now in the wild. as soon as there are some apps for it, I'll be picking up one from the Philly apple store. I am actually excited!

if it works well, I may have to wish for an iOS app for sage (compatible with server v6 of course) rather than an os x version of sage server 7....

[hotwire]

Any chance we will see a version of SageTv 7 for OS X? I'd really like to be able to use my HD-PVR with support for the USB-UIRT in OS X. Is there any hope?

Kenny

[Taddeusz]

Originally Posted by sandor

the jailbreak app for the apple tv is now in the wild. as soon as there are some apps for it, I'll be picking up one from the Philly apple store. I am actually excited!

if it works well, I may have to wish for an iOS app for sage (compatible with server v6 of course) rather than an os x version of sage server 7....

And limit yourself to 720p?

I have to admit that I do like Apple products but some of the "walled garden" aspects really annoy me. Like the new AppleTV. Since iTunes video doesn't go above 720p they architecturally limit the device to 720p. So in the purview of the AppleTV anything above 720p doesn't exist.

And now Apple is starting to exert themselves more into Mac development with the upcoming Mac Store. Authors who submit their apps through the store are under the same limitations as the iPhone/iPad store. A 70/30 split and restrictions on submissions. I'd say it's a lose for developers. Unlike the iPhone App store there are legal alternatives, you just don't get the advantage of the update services for your users and such.

[sandor]

Originally Posted by Taddeusz

And limit yourself to 720p?

I have to admit that I do like Apple products but some of the "walled garden" aspects really annoy me. Like the new AppleTV. Since iTunes video doesn't go above 720p they architecturally limit the device to 720p. So in the purview of the AppleTV anything above 720p doesn't exist.

My television is 720p, and i don't have any plan to buy a new TV in the near future, so i am already "limited".

and, in my mind at least, content is still king and i have no problems being "limited" if it allows me to watch what i want, when and how i want.

[MCE-Refugee]

Originally Posted by sandor

My television is 720p, and i don't have any plan to buy a new TV in the near future, so i am already "limited".

and, in my mind at least, content is still king and i have no problems being "limited" if it allows me to watch what i want, when and how i want.

It is becoming increasingly difficult to buy a new TV which is "only" 720p so most owners of TV sets will not be so "limited"

[PLUCKYHD]

Originally Posted by MCE-Refugee

It is becoming increasingly difficult to buy a new TV which is "only" 720p so most owners of TV sets will not be so "limited"

Not really the low model Plasmas and smaller lcds (ie the cheaper tv's everyone buys) are still 720p. I still say I can't see the difference in my 480p 42" plasma and my 720p 50" plasma from more than 5' away and I can't tell between 720p and 1080p on the same size tv. No when you go bigger like my 110" there is a world of difference in 720p and 1080p

that being said I am considering a appletv just because of it's form factor for netflix. Playon is nice but the quality is terrible and that apple tv would mount nicely behind my tv's with the hd300.

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by PLUCKYHD

Not really the low model Plasmas and smaller lcds (ie the cheaper tv's everyone buys) are still 720p. I still say I can't see the difference in my 480p 42" plasma and my 720p 50" plasma from more than 5' away and I can't tell between 720p and 1080p on the same size tv. No when you go bigger like my 110" there is a world of difference in 720p and 1080p

that being said I am considering a appletv just because of it's form factor for netflix. Playon is nice but the quality is terrible and that apple tv would mount nicely behind my tv's with the hd300.

Though for the cost of the appletv PLUS the HD300, you could have had an i3 based client.. :-) Also, there really aren't that many 720p sets. unfortunately, most cheaper/smaller flat panels are 1136x768, in which 1080 content actually DOES look better than 720 (less scaling problems going from 1920x1080 than from 1280x720).

[PLUCKYHD]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

Though for the cost of the appletv PLUS the HD300, you could have had an i3 based client.. :-) Also, there really aren't that many 720p sets. unfortunately, most cheaper/smaller flat panels are 1136x768, in which 1080 content actually DOES look better than 720 (less scaling problems going from 1920x1080 than from 1280x720).

No thanks I don't want the codec nightmare that comes with clients and hd audio .

[sandor]

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/...-tv-jailbreak/

i am still going to say that a $99 (jailbroken) AppleTV with a Sage client app would be the best client available.

Hopefully the AwkwardTV people will be able to hack in 1080p, but if not the trade off of 720p for Netflix/iTunes/Pandora/SNES/etc etc integration is very fair in my opinion.

[Taddeusz]

I believe that is a complete impossibility. From what I understand the hardware itself is completely incapable of anything over 720p. It's just not fast enough to decode it.

[Brent]

Seriously, if you're willing to go with an AppleTV, you probably don't care about true HD anyway

[sandor]

Originally Posted by Taddeusz

I believe that is a complete impossibility. From what I understand the hardware itself is completely incapable of anything over 720p. It's just not fast enough to decode it.

it will be interesting to see - Plex is already working on an app for the jailbroken AppleTV.
http://forums.plexapp.com/index.php/...r-apple-tv-2g/

it is basically an iPhone 4 without the screen and cell antenna bits (same A4 processor), and i think people got 1080 working on the iphone 3gs?
http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/20/i...ideo-playback/


i just downloaded VLC for my iPhone, i'll try to test it out with some 1080 stuff.... i