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The DMCA cancer spreads....
http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2...-montreal.html
My personal opinions is that the bill has some very good and "fair" provisions... Quote:
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Without the text of the law, it is hard to know what trumps what. The U.S. DMCA has language that suggests that it may be legal to break DCM measures on content that the consumer legally owns for legal purposes (such as fair use). However, it still remains illegal to sell or purchase software to crack DCM. So everyone must, essentially, code their own hacks. Crazy (and inconsistent) stuff.
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Hopefully the other parties will help scale back the digital lock. From what I have read the digital lock trumps all and any type of lock removes all other rights. Does something like the HDPVR qualify as a lock breaking device?
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I don't think the HDPVR would be considered a lock breaking device, but, if you record a show and decide to keep it beyond a reasonable time it would take to view the show, then that would be illegal. ie, "time shifting" would now be legal, which is funny since I've been "time shifting" for many years using BellTV's own hardware, and I didn't realize it was iilegal Although under the new provisions, I guess Bell would be required to delete my recordings if I failed to watch them after a certain amount of time All the more reason, that I need to get my sagetv setup recording tv instead of just using it for movies.
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I can't believe that you aren't using Sage for TV. I can't wait for the tools/plugins you are going to create when you start that.
The laws seem to have the teeth to punish the average user, but enforcement will always be the issue.
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At least there is still hope...
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I have 4 Bell receivers working great using a USB-UIRT. My server is headless, so only sending out IR commands. The Bell receivers are nice because they have addressable remotes so you only need the USB-UIRT and no additional IR buds.
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FYI... looks like Tony Clement, MP is taking and responding to questions about C32 on Twitter. Very cool!
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I have toyed with the idea of getting the USB-UIRT... but I didn't want to shell out the cash for yet another IR blasting solution Maybe I'llhave to break down and buy one.
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The $50 I spent on the USB-UIRT has been worth every penny.
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Aloha, Mike
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Definitely worth the money. Has been flawless and zero worries for channel changes.
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Sorry Mike, I TOTALLY missed this post. That's not necessary, but since I have already gotten the shipping notice... Thanks
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I actually took a gander at the legalese of the proposed bill and I found this clause in paragraph 41.1 Section 3 titled: No statutory damages
"The owner of the copyright in a work, a performer’s performance fixed in a sound recording or a sound recording in respect of which paragraph (1)(a) has been contravened may not elect under section 38.1 to recover statutory damages from an individual who contravened that paragraph only for his or her own private purposes." This paragraph is in the circumvention of TPMs section. It seems to me to suggest that you can't sued if you circumvent for private purposes, e.g., format shifting, back-ups, etc. The funny thing is I don't hear anyone talking about this clause, so I wrote Michael Geist, our resident academic copyright lawyer/activist who is hoping to ensure we do get a balanced copyright act. His take was that you certainly could get sued but the copyright holder would have to prove your circumvention was for commercial purposes otherwise no statutory damages. Now, I'm not saying the bill is fantastic or anything, especially since it would make it quite hard to get hold of TPM circumvention software, and for a variety of other reasons. But it is nice to know it would be very difficult to use this legislation to mount ridiculous lawsuits that could result in outrageous statutory damages. Please write your local MP and Tony Clementto let them know your concerns. Last edited by dead_ferrets; 06-15-2010 at 10:23 AM. Reason: added link to bill c-32 |
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While I welcome the no statutory damages section, I don't think it will stop the extortion suits that we are seeing the US and UK. Let's face it the the real money isn't in the $250K wins that require a trial, where the defendant can't pay the fine anyways... the real money is in just submitting 1000s of "pay us $1000 now for your alleged infringment, and we'll make the case go away... or go to court, and have to lawyer fees, travel costs, etc". Many people are opting to pay the $1000, since it's less than what it would cost them to fight it. That's the real business model here. There shouldn't be a legal risk to circumventing the TPM for personal use, period. While I may not have to worry about the RCMP breaking down my doors for watching a DVD on linux, it shouldn't be illegal. And the ban on tools that can break locks is just as ridiculous. At what point do we decide that simply having a computer that is NOT locked down can be used to break a technical lock.... i guess Apple's idevice world vision will be the only option
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I'm not quite as pessimistic on the 'extortion suit' side of things as the act seems to take very clear aim at commercial infringers. Specifically, clauses like a cap on the total possible payout of 5K for non-commercial copyright infringement and no statutory damages for TPM circumvention for private purposes (that you don't see in the DMCA) make those kinds of suits much more risky IMO. Not to mention, those kinds of suits seem to be much less in fashion these days compared to say, two years ago.
I wholeheartedly agree regarding TPM circumvention tools and their use for private use. TPM circumvention on lawfully obtained copyright material for private, academic, or research purposes must be a cornerstone of new the bill. C'mon Tony, you know it's the right thing to do! |
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This new bill, C-32, actually has a provision which could make some types of timeshifting illegal. Here is what I see on Timeshifting: (source)
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Section c could also be an issue if you transfer a Sage (or other PVRed) recording from your HTPC to a laptop/iPod, etc. And I wonder if using a device like an HDfury would violate section b?
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Also keep in mind, what an act is "intended" for has little to do with how it will be used The DMCA in the US has been used to block ink manufacturers and creators of garage door remotes, which were not probably the intended uses. (you can check out this article by the EFF on the unintended consequences of the DMCA) I'd love to be optimistic... I really would... but history and the present, is already giving us a glimpse of our future I would think so.
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