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So, when you are pulling 4 streams off your Ceton through 7MC and into Sage How real time does it feel? How much lag between what's actually available in your cable box and what you can see in Sage?
Also, how buys does your system get under that load? CPU utilization? How responsive do multiple extenders feel?
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The .mpg file used by Sage is created within 2 seconds of hitting watch with a 0 byte filesize. I see 7MC's .wtv file after about 5 seconds. As soon as I see a filesize on the .mpg, it starts playing in Sage. I'm pretty sure the actual stream is captured almost immediately though because I can fast forward 10+ seconds into the video after it starts playing. I don't know if something can be tweaked to reduce the delay or not. I don't watch live TV, so I haven't really investigated. Quote:
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I did find an issue with NetBIOS recently. I was getting a weird 8 second pause at random intervals on both the PC client and extenders. It works great now that I put static entries in the LMHOSTS file and disabled NetBIOS on the NICs. I don't know if this is a Windows 7 issue or not, but it didn't happen to me on XP. |
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Mythikal, who's your cable/satellite provider? Was it easy to get a cablecard from them? How many channels were you able to tune with the Ceton?
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Comast.
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I can tell you that here in W. Michigan, Charter has all channels set to CCI=0x00, which means everything is good to go! 0x01 might be present on some of the premium channels (hbo, showtime, starz etc) but I dont sub to those or have interest in them, so never checked. Also a thing to note, with the Charter system here at least, cable cards are not paired to the device like they should be (or could be). I was told years ago that the S-cards were not because it wasnt supported, however that the M-cards would be paired to a specific device. Having my Tivo Premiere get fried by lightning, I put my M-card into the replacement and everything worked just fine, no re-pairing required. So its possible for anyone like myself that already has an M-card in house, no truck roll (and consequential fees) needed! I'm going to order one of these cards pronto, unless someone has one they dont want and wants to sell it!
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Yeah, that's my problem.. I don't HAVE a cable box, as I don't currently HAVE cable.
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Ah gotcha... Neighbor/friend maybe?
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Nah.. i don't have friends either.. :-)
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Then fabricate up a official looking Charter outfit, and go to a nearby house and tell them you need to check their cable box!
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The Ceton card is low-profile, and ships with both a short and tall bracket. It is longer than most low-profile cards though, so it may have trouble in really tight cases.
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I am as excited about the Ceton CC/Sage thing as anybody, but just to point out that the CCI flag can change arbitrarily and at least per this engadget post, is not under control of the provider but rather the content creator. So, like the stock market, past performance is certainly no guarantee of future results. That said, I have Fios too, and would really love to get this going. Just hope it doesn't get locked down prematurely by the whole CCI thing.
http://hd.engadget.com/2010/10/21/ve...blecard-users/ |
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So I had comcast come out yesterday to install my cablecard. They didn't offer a self install. Also they charge $40 for the install! Anyway On the phone with the rep from comcast making the appointment I just said I had a Tivo. I didn't want to get in to the whole "you have a what?" I didn't think I could explain to the non-technical operator that I had a computer that uses a cable card. That was kinda a mistake and hopefully I can help someone else learn from it to a degree. See Comcast usually provides two single stream cablecards to tivo customers. There are supposedly two slots in the tivo. Never owning a Tivo I had no idea whatsoever. Regardless the two single stream cards the tech brought out weren't compatible with the ceton card. The tech had to reschedule with a multistreaming card. He will be back or another tech will be here on Monday with the proper card. So the moral of the story is request a multistreaming card. I read a little about it but didn't know I had to request it. The tech said that comcast was experiencing trouble with their multistream cards and always defaulted to the singles!
Also when speaking to him he thought the multistream would only support two streams. I think this might have been discussed here or in other forums here but it is a bit disappointing considering the card itself is capable of 4 streams with one card... Neil |
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I believe that M-cards (at least Moto's) can actually do 6 streams from 1 cable card. Tuning adapters cant do 6 though, only 4 for Moto I think. And SA cards I would think would be 6 streams, but their TA's it seems like only handle 2 or 3.
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I had imagined with an internal card handling the tuning that the response time would be near instantaneous as if you were flipping channels on the box itself - but 13 seconds is huge. I currently use an R5000 unit and I complain that it takes 5-7 seconds to change channels. Maybe if SageTV ever supports the Ceton card so you dont have to jump through the hoops of WMC it will be a great alternative? |
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As mentioned previously, tunning delay is of little/no concern for most sage users, as everything is watched post-live, and certianly never 'channel-surfed'.
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I channel surf with Sage.
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I did say most... obviously, it's possible.. I, for one, never really found a point to 'channel surfing', even before I had a DVR - now that I do, I REALLY don't see why anyone would. Channel Surfing, to me, is the same as saying "hmmm.. I don't know what I want to watch, so let me just flip through watching a little bit of things in progress, until I see something I like, so I can watch the last half of it, then start over again."
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