Confused about Hauppage 2250 setup...

[Biggen]

Ok,

Just installed my 2250. This is brand new installation of a tuner card (did NOT have one installed previous). Also using basic cable.

When I go to setup my sources, I get two tuners listed in Sage. Hauppage Analog Tuner #1 and Hauppage Analog Tuner #2. I select the #1 and then select Analog TV. I precede to setup my zip code, cable company etc... I then get to the channel area and I have it do a full scan and it finds approx ~90 analog channels.

After it finds all these channels I tell it it is finished and then I go back to the source page and then follow the exact same steps to setup tuner #2.

So now I have done two full analog scans on both tuners and they have my full analog cable lineup. Now I wan to have it do a digital scan on each tuner so that it will pickup my QAM. Here is where I am confused. When I go back to the sources area, do I tell it it "Add a new Source" and then click on Tuner #1 and THEN click on Digital TV this time INSTEAD of analog like I did before? This won't "wipe out" any analog channels that were saved from the previous scan?

Or can I not have Tuner #1 setup as an analog AND digital tuner? For example, do I have to have Tuner #1 setup as Analog only and have Tuner #2 setup as Digital only or vice versa?

[rrhorer]

[QUOTE=Biggen;459133]
Or can I not have Tuner #1 setup as an analog AND digital tuner?
[QUOTE]
Each tuner can have both analog and digital sources. However, you need to be careful not to reference the same exact EPG source (i.e., lineup). The analog tuners can both use the same lineup without a problem; but the digital tuners will need to save their own lineup which will be different. I forget just how to avoid this in the setup selection options (Copy, etc.), especially with the changes since I first started using SageTV. In the past, I used a different Zip code (same cable provider) to save a different lineup to SageTV's properties file. The current setup procedures may handle this differently now.

[Biggen]

Each tuner can have both analog and digital sources. However, you need to be careful not to reference the same exact EPG source (i.e., lineup). The analog tuners can both use the same lineup without a problem; but the digital tuners will need to save their own lineup which will be different. I forget just how to avoid this in the setup selection options (Copy, etc.), especially with the changes since I first started using SageTV. In the past, I used a different Zip code (same cable provider) to save a different lineup to SageTV's properties file. The current setup procedures may handle this differently now.

The problem I am having is that I tell Sage that tuner #1 to do an analog scan first and it picks up all my analog channels. Then I go back into setup and I tell Sage that tuner #1 is now a digital tuner and then it finds all my digital channels, however, it unchecks all my analog channels.

So then I "enable" all the channels from the two different scans but I can't seem to tune them all. Some of the analogs will tune and some won't. Same with the digitals. Some will tune and some won't. I also have lots of missing program guide data after I do two scans. If I JUST do an analog scan all the programing data is there however.

I really didnt think it would be this difficult to set this damn thing up.

[daytonlisa]

I'm following this post because I have had the 2250 for months now and I have not managed to get it to work the way I thought it was going to work. I have only managed to get the analog channels to work. I had an HD Homerun that does QAM great so I never did put a lot of effort into the thing.

[jptheripper]

You should added it as tuner #1 digital and tuner #2 digital. They should be a different choice.

[tmiranda]

The key is to use different lineups for the analog and digital tuners. You can pick the same one, but when you do it will ask you to use the lineup currently in use by another tuner or copy it to a new lineup. Choose "copy" when you are setting up the digital tuner (assuming you already have the analong tuner setup.)

[Biggen]

Originally Posted by tmiranda

The key is to use different lineups for the analog and digital tuners. You can pick the same one, but when you do it will ask you to use the lineup currently in use by another tuner or copy it to a new lineup. Choose "copy" when you are setting up the digital tuner (assuming you already have the analong tuner setup.)

Ok, I will try that and see what happens. I suppose I could also select a totally different lineup for the digital side of tuner #1 (i.e Lineup A for analog & Lineup B for digital)???

The reason I ask is that I see my provider is listed twice (Knology Analog and Knology Digital).

[paulbeers]

Biggen - Back when I was using my HVR2250 for analog capture and QAM, that is exactly how I did it (although I was using it for analog capture via composite, but its the same principle).

[tmiranda]

Originally Posted by Biggen

The reason I ask is that I see my provider is listed twice (Knology Analog and Knology Digital).

That's common, and it's what my provider does. Use the Analong lineup for the analog tuners and Digital lineup for the digital tuners - that will probably work the best.

[Biggen]

Thanks for your help guys! Selecting two separate lineups for each tuner did the trick!

[daytonlisa]

Ok, finally home and can try this out. When I went to setup source and add new source, it lists Hauppauge Analog Capture and Hauppauge Analog Capture #2 (also list the two HD Homeruns) but nothing about Hauppauge Digital. There is no option that I see that allows me to add any more sources. Am I missing something?

[paulbeers]

Originally Posted by snoop

Ok, finally home and can try this out. When I went to setup source and add new source, it lists Hauppauge Analog Capture and Hauppauge Analog Capture #2 (also list the two HD Homeruns) but nothing about Hauppauge Digital. There is no option that I see that allows me to add any more sources. Am I missing something?

If you select one of the analog, the next screen will ask if it is analog tuner, digital tuner or composite (or something like that). Just select Digital Tuner. It is a bit weird that it is under the Analog name, but I have a feeling Sage did this because you can only capture two programs at a time (even though you can set it up to record from up to 6 sources).

[daytonlisa]

I added digital, but it is not finding any channels. Any ideas?

[daytonlisa]

I let it go last night, woke up this morning and tried it and it worked. Don't know why, but hey it works, so I'm happy.

[heffe2001]

Up until last week I used my 2 2250's as analog capture cards for a total of 4 directv receivers. We switched back to Charter (much as I hate it, I got a really good deal on a package with 25m 'net), and I have set it up with 3 of the tuners using the 'tuner' preset, and the 4th set up as QAM digital. Everything has worked fine with it configured like that, except that it will only record one HD channel (obviously, only 1 digital tuner).

I'm kind of confused as to how the cards digital tuners are configured. I've seen it posted that with a single card, you can set up the 2 tuners on it for both digital and analog, and Sage will manage the hardware depending on the items being recorded. Does that mean I can configure my 2 cards as a total of 4 analog AND 4 digital, and sage will manage the without conflicts (say trying to record analog and digital from tuner 1 at the same time)? If that's the case, I have some configuration to work on . If that's NOT how they work, I have a few PCI tuners, and empty PCI slots I could always use for the analog stuff..

I'm also thinking of going virtual with that and my Unraid box, just need to see if anybody has managed to get the spindown & smart info working with Unraid..

(This is all on WHS, and it appears to get my all the digital stations I'm entitled to with my current package, and of course, nothing that's encrypted).

[paulbeers]

Originally Posted by heffe2001

Does that mean I can configure my 2 cards as a total of 4 analog AND 4 digital, and sage will manage the without conflicts (say trying to record analog and digital from tuner 1 at the same time)? If that's the case, I have some configuration to work on . If that's NOT how they work, I have a few PCI tuners, and empty PCI slots I could always use for the analog stuff..

That's how it worked with my HVR2250. In my case I had it setup as two QAM tuners and 2 Composite "tuners" connected to my Dish Network 311's (sd only). Sage would then only set it to record either 2 QAM shows, 1 QAM and 1 composite or 2 composite. It never tried to record 3 at a time with it.

I recently switched to all HD boxes so I've stopped using my HVR2250.

[heffe2001]

Originally Posted by paulbeers

That's how it worked with my HVR2250. In my case I had it setup as two QAM tuners and 2 Composite "tuners" connected to my Dish Network 311's (sd only). Sage would then only set it to record either 2 QAM shows, 1 QAM and 1 composite or 2 composite. It never tried to record 3 at a time with it.

I recently switched to all HD boxes so I've stopped using my HVR2250.

I thought I had read that's how it worked. Guess I'll work on reconfiguring my tuners shortly, and see how it goes..

Had it recording 4 HD channels, tried to record a SD channel, and it reported no available tuners, so it's all good now. Just wish Charter had more open QAM stuff available (and had everything they DO have in their dang guide info, I have 5 or 6 channels that they don't offer in my area, but they are on the wire anyway). They show up in Sage as 8 total tuners, 2 entries for each tuner type (one analog tuner, one digital)..

[ThePaladinTech]

Curious how this went for you - I've got an 1800 and I've never used both the Analog and Digital sides. How about an update?

[heffe2001]

If you mean on my system, I've got my 2 cards configured as 8 total recording sources, 4 analog cable, and 4 digital cable. Sage handles any resource conflicts between the analog/digital sides without any intervention. So far I've not had any issues, and my HD recordings have never looked better...

I've not had a good opportunity to try them under ESXi VM's, or in linux yet. I'm planning on working on that during the Thanksgiving break, or the first week of December sometime...