Any painless way to migrate all the TV Recordings into MCE?

gabrielcab · #1 07-06-2011, 05:33 PM

After much deliberation and with a real pain in my heart that will take long to heal i've decided to bail out and start a "painful and against my will" process to migrate back into the most my hated and limited MCE with much regret

Is there any way to migrate all my TV recordings and maintain the order and series separation by banners into MCE? i know i wont be able to migrate the bin.wiz info about watched episodes and etc., but how can I move all my current tv recordings and be able to view them on MCE as SageTV didn't organize the recording structure into folders?

PLUCKYHD · #2 07-06-2011, 07:35 PM

It takes some restructuring and renaming of older files that don't include season episode info in the name. I would look at tv library,my movies or media browser to display an handle the metadata.

CadErik · #3 07-06-2011, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by gabrielcab

After much deliberation and with a real pain in my heart that will take long to heal i've decided to bail out and start a "painful and against my will" process to migrate back into the most my hated and limited MCE with much regret

Do you mind sharing which limitations are bothering you the most with MCE?
I am also thinking of migrating...

Fuzzy · #4 07-06-2011, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by gabrielcab

After much deliberation and with a real pain in my heart that will take long to heal i've decided to bail out and start a "painful and against my will" process to migrate back into the most my hated and limited MCE with much regret

If you are making the decision on your own... how is it against your will? many others are staying right here with sage...

Lostinpvr · #5 07-06-2011, 10:10 PM

(Thoughts) To all interested users that LOVE Sage TV:

I do not see any reason to Change or even experiment with an application that will not do what sage does! Do You?

Maybe I'm incorrect or Naive but I have been using Sage TV Since 2005 Ver. 4 and have seen great improvements and Developments in the Sage TV product.

I have tried other product but NONE even come close to comparing to Sage TV Media Center.

"THERE IS NO COMPARISON TO Sage TV Period!"
Yes I quoted That
If I am wrong please fill me in.

I would think if you hang in there long enough you will still have one of the best PVR packages built so far. And I believe there will still be developers that are willing to support and maybe go further with what they have already developed for Ver. 7. Google/Sage if offering the FREE upgrade from Release 5-6 to Release 7.

There are Ton's of great Add-In's to Sage TV

Hope I'm correct. Don't Shoot me!

Are we still in this for the long run?

I love this thing

Long Live Sage TV or is it Ggl-Sage or GSAGE or GTVS or Who Knows?

WHY CHANGE

I Don't Know

OK Google give us the news!

Skirge01 · #6 07-07-2011, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Lostinpvr

I do not see any reason to Change or even experiment with an application that will not do what sage does! Do You?

I certainly do. I'm sure someone will decide to pick apart my car analogy in order to show their love for SageTV, but here's how I look at it:

I own a Ford and they were just bought by Kawasaki. They also closed down all dealerships and won't sell any more of their existing inventory of vehicles. Additionally, they are no longer making or supplying parts and mechanics are no longer allowed to maintain the vehicles.

My Ford may be running fine at the moment, but it's probably time to start shopping for another vehicle before it breaks down. Kawasaki may start selling Ford-like vehicles again, but who knows when or if I'll even like them.

gplasky · #7 07-07-2011, 08:00 AM

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I certainly do. I'm sure someone will decide to pick apart my car analogy in order to show their love for SageTV, but here's how I look at it:

I own a Ford and they were just bought by Kawasaki. They also closed down all dealerships and won't sell any more of their existing inventory of vehicles. Additionally, they are no longer making or supplying parts and mechanics are no longer allowed to maintain the vehicles.

My Ford may be running fine at the moment, but it's probably time to start shopping for another vehicle before it breaks down. Kawasaki may start selling Ford-like vehicles again, but who knows when or if I'll even like them.

I think the problem with your analogy is you're currently driving a great Sage PVR car. Actually the best out there. Your current choices for a replacement are XBMC bicycles, MediaPortal motorcycles, Plex skateboards, etc. It can get you there but they aren't the same as your current great Sage PVR car. There are only 3 direct replacements. The WMC car only carries a single passenger-unless you connect the Xbox seat to it. The Myth car does work like your Sage car except it is difficult to maintain and seems to break down a lot more than your Sage car and can't use your extender seats and the Myth car doesn't offer any extender seats but it does use PC seats. The nPVR car is a pretty close replacement to your Sage car but doesn't really have as many options and won't let you connect your current extender seats to it. You will need to buy new extender seats or PC seats to connect to it-but at least you have that option. Or in either case reuse your Sage PC seats. Or do you wait for that Google car which no one knows what that is going to be like. Lots of guesses-but no one knows.

Gerry

PLUCKYHD · #8 07-07-2011, 08:50 AM

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I think the problem with your analogy is you're currently driving a great Sage PVR car. Actually the best out there. Your current choices for a replacement are XBMC bicycles, MediaPortal motorcycles, Plex skateboards, etc. It can get you there but they aren't the same as your current great Sage PVR car. There are only 3 direct replacements. The WMC car only carries a single passenger-unless you connect the Xbox seat to it. The Myth car does work like your Sage car except it is difficult to maintain and seems to break down a lot more than your Sage car and can't use your extender seats and the Myth car doesn't offer any extender seats but it does use PC seats. The nPVR car is a pretty close replacement to your Sage car but doesn't really have as many options and won't let you connect your current extender seats to it. You will need to buy new extender seats or PC seats to connect to it-but at least you have that option. Or in either case reuse your Sage PC seats. Or do you wait for that Google car which no one knows what that is going to be like. Lots of guesses-but no one knows.

Gerry

Sorry but sage is great but it isn't "The best out there" at everything. It lacks allot of features that are becoming more and more important in every household. Netflix and CableCard are two main ones. we can knock cable card all we want but that is a a mass consumber deal. Especially netflix.

Sage is great don't get me wrong but this "it is the best out there" isn't always true in all use case scenerios.

stuckless · #9 07-07-2011, 08:57 AM

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Sorry but sage is great but it isn't "The best out there" at everything. It lacks allot of features that are becoming more and more important in every household. Netflix and CableCard are two main ones. we can knock cable card all we want but that is a a mass consumber deal. Especially netflix.

Sage is great don't get me wrong but this "it is the best out there" isn't always true in all use case scenerios.

You know... saying that "SageTV is the best out there" isn't the same thing as saying "SageTV is the best out there at everything".

When people say that SageTV is the best out there... it's a general statement that when compared to other solutions in the same category that it's the "best". It'll be lacking in some features and it'll be better in others. It's unrealistic to think that any solution will be the "best thing out the for everything"... so the best you can hope for is the best thing out there - overall.. I'd say that while sagetv doesn't support netflix or cablecard natively, it's the best solution out there, overall.

You seem a little bitter these past couple of weeks... but you don't need to whack on people because they still think sagetv is the the best out there, even if it is now owned by Google

PLUCKYHD · #10 07-07-2011, 08:58 AM

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You know... saying that "SageTV is the best out there" isn't the same thing as saying "SageTV is the best out there at everything".

When people say that SageTV is the best out there... it's a general statement that when compared to other solutions in the same category that it's the "best". It'll be lacking in some features and it'll be better in others. It's unrealistic to think that any solution will be the "best thing out the for everything"... so the best you can hope for is the best thing out there - overall.. I'd say that while sagetv doesn't support netflix or cablecard natively, it's the best solution out there, overall.

You seem a little bitter these past couple of weeks... but you don't need to whack on people because they still think sagetv is the the best out there, even if it is now owned by Google

Yeah your right maybe I should just dissapear.

stuckless · #11 07-07-2011, 09:17 AM

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Yeah your right maybe I should just dissapear.

NO.... you should just embrace the change.... have a beer (with lemon even)... and relax....

heatvent · #12 07-07-2011, 10:11 AM

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Sorry but sage is great but it isn't "The best out there" at everything. It lacks allot of features that are becoming more and more important in every household. Netflix and CableCard are two main ones. we can knock cable card all we want but that is a a mass consumber deal. Especially netflix.

Sage is great don't get me wrong but this "it is the best out there" isn't always true in all use case scenerios.

I agree with Plucky on this one. Sage is still a great app, but becomes less great as features are added to MCE that Sage can't/didn't keep up with.

I have to admit, that since the announcement, the thought of using MCE and a cable card tuner has crossed my mind more than once. Access to some of the channels I don't currently get on my tuner without having to pay the price to rent a DVR box (I think it's up to $17/mo. by me) sounds pretty nice (at least until cable card fees cost more than DVR fees). Also having native Netflix support is a nice plus and I always found channel setup in MCE much better than Sage.

I think the greatest strength of SageTV is to suceed with the extenders where no other product out there is even in the ball park. Look at the thread on alternatives to SageTV or extenders, the huge drawback is no extender or limited extender support out there (still a limitation in MCE and probably the only reason I haven't moved over)

PLUCKYHD · #13 07-07-2011, 10:15 AM

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I agree with Plucky on this one. Sage is still a great app, but becomes less great as features are added to MCE that Sage can't/didn't keep up with.

I have to admit, that since the announcement, the thought of using MCE and a cable card tuner has crossed my mind more than once. Access to some of the channels I don't currently get on my tuner without having to pay the price to rent a DVR box (I think it's up to $17/mo. by me) sounds pretty nice (at least until cable card fees cost more than DVR fees). Also having native Netflix support is a nice plus and I always found channel setup in MCE much better than Sage.

I think the greatest strength of SageTV is to suceed with the extenders where no other product out there is even in the ball park. Look at the thread on alternatives to SageTV or extenders, the huge drawback is no extender or limited extender support out there (still a limitation in MCE and probably the only reason I haven't moved over)

Well said the ceton is very nice tuner. 4 hd feeds for $1.99 rental a month is hard to beat.

As for extenders there are workarounds that I am looking into. I only need native hd audio and bluray playback in the main theater room. So I don't mind transcoding below 12mbs a second or to 720p basically for the other rooms (they aren't 1080p tv's anyhow). Then the xbox will handle them just fine.

No solution is perfect or the best. It is all based on your needs and wants.

PLUCKYHD · #14 07-07-2011, 10:17 AM

and I will say I have been stress testing WMC with Ceton and not one failed recording yet. I have been keeping all 4 tuners going almost 24 hours a day recording and not one miss or glitch recording yet.

I never had a issue with WMC recording though it is solid and works great that isn't the reason I went to SageTv orignally.

Skirge01 · #15 07-07-2011, 10:26 AM

Just as expected. Way too much thought put into it.

Let's have some fun here, though:

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I think the problem with your analogy is you're currently driving a great Sage PVR car.

Some would say a Chevy is just as great as a Ford.

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Actually the best out there.

Maybe, but opinions do vary. Ford is good, but so is Chevy... and Nissan, BTW.

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Your current choices for a replacement are XBMC bicycles, MediaPortal motorcycles, Plex skateboards, etc. It can get you there but they aren't the same as your current great Sage PVR car.

I would definitely not say that a Chevy is a bicycle, skateboard, or motorcycle to a Ford. That's the epitome of what a fanboy would say.

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There are only 3 direct replacements. The WMC car only carries a single passenger-unless you connect the Xbox seat to it.

I'm a 1 car household, so not an issue. However, as I said, there are no more seats available for the Ford.

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The Myth car does work like your Sage car except it is difficult to maintain and seems to break down a lot more than your Sage car and can't use your extender seats

But, the Ford is now IMPOSSIBLE to maintain. The mechanics are gone and no parts are available. The Chevy can still be maintained.

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and the Myth car doesn't offer any extender seats but it does use PC seats.

At least there are still seats available.

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The nPVR car is a pretty close replacement to your Sage car but doesn't really have as many options

Chevy may not have the exact same options as the Ford, but there are still many similar options, and maybe even some that grow on you.

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and won't let you connect your current extender seats to it.

True, but when my Ford starts falling apart, I want to be able to find parts.

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You will need to buy new extender seats or PC seats to connect to it-but at least you have that option.

Makes for a pretty compelling option then, doesn't it? At least the option is there. Ford isn't even selling parts anymore.

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Or in either case reuse your Sage PC seats.

And that's exactly what I'm doing. I'm still driving my Ford. But, I'm on the lookout for another car which is currently able to be serviced.

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Or do you wait for that Google car which no one knows what that is going to be like.

If my Ford dies before that Kawasaki product comes to market, then I have to rush around and find a replacement while I can't drive to work, take the family to the doctor or shop for food. I don't operate that way.

Gerry, I do appreciate your devotion to SageTV and I understand it. I absolutely love it myself. But, I'm a realist and I understand that it may very well be dead forever. I prefer to plan ahead and ensure that I'm ready when things go south. Am I still using SageTV? Yup. Do I plan to switch over tomorrow? Nope. But, I'm making sure that when I choose to or am forced to, that I have something ready to replace it.

stanger89 · #16 07-07-2011, 10:50 AM

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Sorry but sage is great but it isn't "The best out there" at everything. It lacks allot of features that are becoming more and more important in every household. Netflix and CableCard are two main ones. we can knock cable card all we want but that is a a mass consumber deal. Especially netflix.

Sage is great don't get me wrong but this "it is the best out there" isn't always true in all use case scenerios.

Of course not, but at least personally it's been quite a shock to see just how hard it is to replace what Sage does. Seriously, I mean WMC seems to be the closest in terms of robust, solid, reliable DVR out there, and it has extenders, but for anything beyond TV, the extenders are utter crap.

That and I don't get a warm fuzzy about integrating my Dish service into WMC (or most other DVRs frankly, maybe it's just lack of research).

NextPVR might be close, but I'm not sure it really adds anything over WMC.

Everybody else seems to be far, far behind on the DVR front in setup/maintenance if not the whole package.

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Originally Posted by heatvent

I agree with Plucky on this one. Sage is still a great app, but becomes less great as features are added to MCE that Sage can't/didn't keep up with.

But (other than CableCard) most of that is easy to replace with Sage with a $59-99 Roku.

The reverse is not true, the extender support is something that does not seem likely to be replicated in the forseable future.

If I moved to WMC for TV, I'd have to get something else, like a Dune or other media player for my media, maybe I should just break down and get a Kaleidescape, but no, even they're stuck with that stupid 'vault' for Blu-rays.

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I have to admit, that since the announcement, the thought of using MCE and a cable card tuner has crossed my mind more than once. Access to some of the channels I don't currently get on my tuner without having to pay the price to rent a DVR box (I think it's up to $17/mo. by me) sounds pretty nice (at least until cable card fees cost more than DVR fees).

Me, I'd lose a number of important (HD) channels switching to cable, that and I'd have to sign a deal with the devil.

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I think the greatest strength of SageTV is to suceed with the extenders where no other product out there is even in the ball park. Look at the thread on alternatives to SageTV or extenders, the huge drawback is no extender or limited extender support out there (still a limitation in MCE and probably the only reason I haven't moved over)

Which is probably the biggest thing many of us are having problem with. I've actually already got 2 Xbox 360's (one needs a new PSU), so I've actually got the WMC extenders already for "free". But they're so pathetic compared to SageTV's extenders that I'd have to buy new media players, build PCs, or keep using the Sage extenders for media.

Maybe it's just because I know them, but Sage's limitations seem much easier to overcome than any other options limitations.

OneOfMany · #17 07-07-2011, 11:03 AM

Silly question, since I haven't recorder with WMC lately.. is the file format NOT convertable into another yet?

Grant

stanger89 · #18 07-07-2011, 11:05 AM

I think it's (convertable) so long as the recording wasn't DRM'd.

pjpjpjpj · #19 07-07-2011, 11:13 AM

I will give you the fact that you can't buy any more HD extenders (other than eBay, which, when we find out the future from Google, might have many more available and for cheaper). So if you wanted/needed more for your house, that stinks.

However, I am not worried about the fear of "what about when things break?". Only one major flaw has occurred in the HD extender line thus far - the HD100 power supply capacitors bursting. Shortly after the problem was acknowledged, wise Sage forum users figured out how to DIY-fix it and posted simple instructions here for everyone. I have no doubt that the same thing will happen if some part of the HD200 or HD300 bites the dust in the future, for as long as any of us choose to continue using Sage "as is".

And, of course, we don't know for sure that the next release of Google TV won't work as a Sage extender, do we?

So if the hardware isn't an issue, then the only issue is if you are terribly unhappy with the Sage interface and integral capabilities (if so, why are you here?), or always itchy for "new stuff", or always needing constant change and need your software to advance regularly. Well, a lot of that advancing happens here on the plugin forum. Just this past week we got the closest iteration to the old v6 dynamic menus (ADM), and we've had Diamond and Phoenix for a while. Ortus is lingering out there sometime in the future, too. And who knows what else?

As for the ending of the EPG support, there are already plugins that remedy this, and I suspect that before the deadline passes, we'll have more options, some of which will get the info for free.

As for the lack of Cablecard and native Netflix, personally I don't think we'd have ever gotten either anyway, even if Sage had remained as-is. So there's no need lamenting that. "Never had it, never will", whether Sage or GooSage.

I'm sure some day in the future, there will be new developments in the A/V world that haven't even been thought of yet, and at that point, Sage (as we know it now) will officially be antiquated. But until then, we have the most versatile, DRM-FREE, extender-capable PVR program out there. There's probably a lot of people who wish they'd gotten in before the Google buyout. So relax and enjoy what you have. Until we hear from Google, we know absolutely nothing about the future anyway.

PLUCKYHD · #20 07-07-2011, 11:25 AM

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