Tivo Roamio

[NetworkGuy]

Just curious, if people have seen the announcement about the new Tivo Roamio.

http://www.fastcompany.com/3015865/t...ner=newsletter

https://tivo.com/shop/roamio

Thanks,
John

[reggie14]

Yeah, I've been watching Dave Zatz's blog. The only big surprise was that they're not supporting Android at launch for placeshifting. I guess I was expecting HDMI-CEC support, too.

It looks pretty good. It sounds like navigation is speedier, which was needed. They finally got dynamic tuner allocation with the Minis, the lack of which I found inexcusable.

If this came out a year ago, I probably would have switched to it. Since that time, I built a new SageTV server, got a cablecard tuner, and managed to expand my system with additional HD300s. At this point I don't see much of a draw to the TiVo. I use HBO Go quite a bit, so I'd probably be inclined to keep my Rokus around. And then I'd need to buy some Dunes (or maybe a PCH, though the new ones seem buggy) for my movie collection.

But, it's nice to have some sort of fall back option. If I lost my cablecard tuner (due to Verizon copy protecting stuff), I'd probably switch to TiVo over switching to all HD-PVRs.

Or, maybe someday Ceton will actually get their Echo working. I'm a little skeptical Ceton will last that much longer than Hauppauge, though. But, they're at least a little more diversified. They sell some (modified) cablecard tuners to the hospitality market.

[Skybolt]

Originally Posted by reggie14

... Or, maybe someday Ceton will actually get their Echo working. I'm a little skeptical Ceton will last that much longer than Hauppauge, though. ...

WOW ...

[Skybolt]

This actually has promise, it looks real nice. There are just so many fees with Tivo, and I would want the Plus or better, with no Android support - I'll have to see how this pans out.

[Serra]

Looks nice, but $180 a year to provide a guide is still too expensive. I've always had a problem with Tivo's pricing. I wouldn't mind a nominal fee, or a free unit, but a high fee and an expensive unit are a real turn off.

It would be nice to have Tivo's features, I like the way it finds shows and such, but for the cost, I'm just too cheap to be willing to pay it.

[Taddeusz]

Yea, I've looked at Tivo before. What I currently have recorded in SageTV comes to 233 hours so I would need the $600 unit to even have the capability of storing that much. And I'm currently contemplating upgrading one of the recording drives. Currently have 1.5TB across 2 drives and are about 2/3 full. Will upgrade the 500GB to a 1TB. Crazy how much we've recorded and haven't yet been able to watch.

But back to the topic. Tivo seems like a nice system but I'm not willing to pay the fees to keep it running. I'd rather be able to put that money into a system I can manage myself.

[tvmaster2]

I must have missed it in the article, but I didn't read anything about multi-room action.....will this box, as do the Premiere's, place a big, red X through any program that Hollywood doesn't want you to see in more than one room?
Fail if that's the case

[Skybolt]

Originally Posted by Taddeusz

... Tivo seems like a nice system but I'm not willing to pay the fees to keep it running. I'd rather be able to put that money into a system I can manage myself.

+1

[MattHelm]

I have 1 question I didn't see an answer for. Will it playback media from somewhere else? (like a NAS)

[flavius]

Originally Posted by tvmaster2

I must have missed it in the article, but I didn't read anything about multi-room action.....will this box, as do the Premiere's, place a big, red X through any program that Hollywood doesn't want you to see in more than one room?
Fail if that's the case

There's multi-room support via extender which is $99 a pop.

[flavius]

Originally Posted by Taddeusz

..Tivo seems like a nice system but I'm not willing to pay the fees to keep it running. I'd rather be able to put that money into a system I can manage myself.

When I do the math on what I spent on my Sage system I don't think that even the largest Roamio is going to cost me more in the long run.

I'd like the ability to record 6 premium channel shows at the same time - and I don't have much more than 3TB recording space today.

I'm going to take a serious look at the Roamio - now that they have extenders, free streaming apps and - most importantly - a new device with a snappy UI again, at least that's what I hear.

[tvmaster2]

Originally Posted by flavius

There's multi-room support via extender which is $99 a pop.

well, if it works like my Sage extenders, i.e. I only need one Tivo server so to speak, then that's some progress.
As it is now, I have three Premieres, and the only material I can share between them doesn't include ANY premium channel material, largely.

[reggie14]

Originally Posted by tvmaster2

well, if it works like my Sage extenders, i.e. I only need one Tivo server so to speak, then that's some progress.
As it is now, I have three Premieres, and the only material I can share between them doesn't include ANY premium channel material, largely.

I've been assuming that you can stream copy-once to a Mini (extender), you just can't copy and store the video on a different TiVo box.

I can't confirm that, though. It's basically just a guess where I assume everyone is sensible (a dangerous assumption, I know). It would be awfully good to know for sure from someone with a Roamio+Mini system.

[flavius]

Originally Posted by tvmaster2

As it is now, I have three Premieres, and the only material I can share between them doesn't include ANY premium channel material, largely.

I haven't thought about that - I haven't owned a TiVo in eight years, didn't even look at them closely because of all the usability issues - but that shouldn't be to difficult to find out.
EDIT: So just learned that those flags don't appear to be an issue for the Mini - however, not all 3rd party content stored on the Main system can be played back.

[Taddeusz]

Originally Posted by flavius

When I do the math on what I spent on my Sage system I don't think that even the largest Roamio is going to cost me more in the long run.

I'd like the ability to record 6 premium channel shows at the same time - and I don't have much more than 3TB recording space today.

I'm going to take a serious look at the Roamio - now that they have extenders, free streaming apps and - most importantly - a new device with a snappy UI again, at least that's what I hear.

You also have to consider that you get a system that is far more versatile than the single use Tivo system and that you can do your own storage upgrades at will. Don't forget that with a Tivo any movies and music you currently access from SageTV will not be integrated into Tivo and you will still need to maintain a separate system for them.

Of course, nothing is perfect. Certainly not SageTV. But even though you might in the long run spend more on a SageTV system you get a lot more for your money.

[flavius]

Originally Posted by Taddeusz

You also have to consider that you get a system that is far more versatile than the single use Tivo system and that you can do your own storage upgrades at will. Don't forget that with a Tivo any movies and music you currently access from SageTV will not be integrated into Tivo and you will still need to maintain a separate system for them...

Yes, but the value of that versatility has been greatly diminished over the years. Ten years ago I would have agreed with you since I had just started building my movie library - by piling up disks in shelves. I don't have those anymore - and whatever I kept - half of that is already in iTunes. I have another 150 movies or so on a NAS - those will be a problem, but nobody is going to watch them anyway.

[btrcp2000]

am i thinking correctly that a roamio + 5 mini system that would replace my sagetv + 5 extender system would cost roughly $40/month on top of my cable bill?

[Skirge01]

Originally Posted by btrcp2000

am i thinking correctly that a roamio + 5 mini system that would replace my sagetv + 5 extender system would cost roughly $40/month on top of my cable bill?

That looks about right to me. $45, to be precise, although they say multi-service discounts may apply. Plus taxes and other fees, I'm sure.

[waynedunham]

I haven't looked too closely at the Roamio, but I know with all their other boxes they do still offer a "lifetime" option at time of purchase(maybe an addo on too??). Last time I looked I believe it came in right around 3 years worth of montly subscription.

[Skirge01]

Originally Posted by waynedunham

I haven't looked too closely at the Roamio, but I know with all their other boxes they do still offer a "lifetime" option at time of purchase(maybe an addo on too??). Last time I looked I believe it came in right around 3 years worth of montly subscription.

Just keep in mind that if you want to upgrade your Tivo within those 3 years, I don't believe you can transfer the lifetime service. I think it's lifetime of the exact Tivo device it's purchased for. If you're on these forums, my guess is that you'll constantly be looking for the next big thing and probably won't be happy with your current setup in 3 years.