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However, NOTHING seems to beat SageTV (HD200/2300) for actually watching/pausing/skipping media Plex has the Trakt plugin and for a while I used a plugin to sync SageTV watched status to Plex watched status so that Plex would report it to Trakt but ran into some syncing issues where Trakt was telling SageTV that movies were watched when they weren't ... eventually gave up on it within Sage but a Trakt plugin would be awesome. Not sure if the 'watched' status could also be 'pulled' from the WIZ.BIN to recover years of episode watching or not - even a one time export to something Trakt could use would be so cool. Dwight
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The latest UI in android TV tries to help this by adding channels. the jury is still out for me. I like the concept, but i'm not sure I really like using it. I will see how it works when I get the kodi beta installed. flips |
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We use our SageTV clients less and less these days, but really it is because Netflix has so much content we want to watch, and they seem to have solved the problem of compression to deliver high quality video and 5.1 audio over the internet, something Amazon, HULU, Acorn, and other streaming services still fail at. This is even more true now that I've upgraded the display to faux-K, a resolution Netflix has no problem delivering at high quality.
Comcast and satellite compression remain crap, since most people don't watch on screens larger than 40 inches or simply don't care or can't even tell if they are watching SD or HD. The killer feature that keeps us on SageTV is Comskip. And the lack of good (good compression, 5.1 audio) streaming options for some of the shows other family members enjoy. I just hope Netflix doesn't ever have a change of management that results in their elves departing Middle Earth. Somebody (probably many somebodies) there really seem to care about quality, to a degree that probably exceeds the general market demand for high quality, but makes people like me happy. |
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Is this true? And I'm not interested in any political debate about net neutrality ![]()
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SageTV
I think SageTV is still the best DVR with an AndroidTV client (miniclient) but the gap is closing. I've got a lifetime membership with Plex and Emby. I can see either of these services eclipsing SageTV in a year or two. Emby is getting close. If they would spend some more time on their clients (make the guide size customizable, add some more remote control options similar to SageTV), I think they would be there.
SageTV is Java based which is a negative to a lot of people. I think most users are running it on Linux or a Linux docker container which adds some complexity. There's a separate tuner module (OpenDCT) which has a lot of flexibility but this does add again to the complexity. The forums here are not easy to navigate for new users because of all the legacy stuff. Work here is all volunteer so there's not going to be a lot of development. IPTV is not generally supported by SageTV. XMLTV guide source can be make to work via plugins but again adds complexity. Timeshifting of XMLTV guide data is not supported. Most IPTV streams don't work well with SageTV without reencoding via FFMPEG and stream glitches aren't handled well. Pausing/ff/rewind of live tv can be problematic in SageTV. At least with the Android Miniclient, anything but a pause/continue can put you back at the live point of the stream and can also mess up pause/resume on previous recordings. SageTV has been great but it's only a matter of time before Emby/Plex overshadow it. |
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I've never used Emby. What's the big deal vs Plex?
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I personally prefer Plex. It’s not as strict as Emby about how TV shows are organized. I can add my SageTV recording folder to Plex and it picks everything up as long as they are in the format “<Show Name> - SxxExx”. Emby requires a directory structure just to pick them up as TV shows.
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Plex and Emby and are sorta like Mac and Windows. In the end, they basically do the same stuff, but, one of them (plex) is very opinionated on how it should be done (sort of like a Mac).
Emby server is open source, but, the clients (if I recall) are not fully activated unless you get the subscription. I have both Plex and Emby lifetime subscriptions, and, I've seen Emby come a long way in the last couple years. I still think Plex is a little more polished, but, Plex is a completely closed system, and, the owners have no interest in listening to their users. Emby, being open source, at least has some additional options if it doesn't quite do what you need. If I were leaving SageTV for Plex or Emby... I'd probably look to Emby (for the same reason that I went to SageTV), because it's an open platform that I can extend. I've tried the Plex channel crap, and tried working with Plex to beg for simple features like give me some control over the video player... but again, they don't care.
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Sagetv because sports, cheap extenders, and wiz.bin
Only way to watch baseball locally is with a cable/sat subscription. Sagetv gives me the ability to flip back and forth between providers without losing DVR recordings, favorites, or history. If I were less lazy I could shut off premium between every year the world series and march madness, and the household wouldn't notice. Plus I could take advantage of whatever new subscriber promos are available Sage allows me to stretch that one satellite box to 9 TVs in the house. Plus, I still find myself annoyed at maintaining all the streaming apps on different TVs (god forbid someone changes the password on one of them). Some have keyboard remotes or alow a code to be entered on a browser, some don;t, etc. I'm toying with Mi Boxes to have the exact same interface everywhere for sage and all streaming, but I need time to figure out how to get the harmony remotes to control the Mi as well as the miniclient (.ie, does the Home button take you to Sage Home or Mi home?) Haven't read much about emby/plex (although I am lifetime plex), but there just isn't anything yet that I want to do but can't with Sagetv. Will be a while before I care about 4k
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On my shield box, I have CEC over HDMI set up so I just use the shield remote. I press home to turn on the shield which turns on the TV. To turn off the TV I hold back which pops up the menu from the side and I select sleep. I have no other devices (other than a soundbar which is ARC or HDMI), so it works great. I haven't gotten the mii box to work the same way, but not sure if it is my TV or the mii box. Also, there are other devices on that TV, a HD300 and a Wii U, so it doesn't eliminate the harmony remote. flips |
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What kind of new advancements do you have in mind?
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PlaceShifter and the Client could be merged and be used solely for displaying the library and playback. Or other front ends could be used for this purpose. I would be willing to contribute to a campaign to fund building this version 10. ![]() As long as it would still live on Windows. ![]()
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well, for one, little things - like someone updating the 1394 channel change plugin. I know they didn't do it originally, but the fellow who did is long gone, and it would be great to have a 64bit version for Windows.
Also, updating things like the Online / More Online Services - lots of outdated dead stuff there. as I said, little things
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SageTV's advantage is that is has the best scheduling options of any DVR out there ... but you have to be very computer savvy to maintain it .. and recover in the event of a problem... I can see it dying a slow death if and when Silicondust releases recording of DRM channels... In my household there is still one lone user that uses SageTV. I have since moved on to the HDHR DVR with emby for remote viewing and scheduling away from home if I need to.
With the HDHRDVR if I am doing something with my NAS which it is running on ... all I have to do is switch my ShieldTV client to DVR mode and never miss a recording. The Shield will handle the recording and scheduling. Another thing Closed Captions do not always work unless they are extracted.
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