SageTV auto deleting recordings I cancelled?

[james_k_p]

Ok, Now I'm confused.

I've mainly been using sagetv on a vista 64big "test" machine. I can press to record something I'm watching....say the late show...and when a performer comes on i want...I press "record this show". When the performance is over, I press "cancel this recording" and it stays.

On my "main" machine, a XP 32bit, I keep all my hd movies and license for my hd100 is on this one. But I just noticed now since I pointed it to my hdhomerun that the other machine uses that if I do the same procedure as stated above, it removed this "partial" recordings. What the heck gives?

Is this a setting somewhere that the 64bit vista has on for some reason, and this one doesn't? What do you guys think?

[james_k_p]

Errrr OK, so I"m wrong. My "test" one deletes them now too.

This stinks. I don't like that. Is there anyway for me to stop it?
Was this something that recently changed with this version?
I know I've recorded full nfl games, and when it was over, instead of waiting for the schedule to finish, I cancelled it and the recordings stuck.

There needs to be a stop recording button, not cancel, to where you can keep what you've recorded manually with a manual start, and a manual stop.

Help!

[JREkiwi]

Check Setup -> Detailed Setup -> Customize -> Delete Live TV files when not using Intelligent Recording

and make sure it is set to NO.

John

[stanger89]

I believe there's a multi-function stop customization that does what you want.

[james_k_p]

Originally Posted by stanger89

I believe there's a multi-function stop customization that does what you want.

And how would I do this?

Thanks for the tip JRIkiwi. That is an emergency last way of doing it, although not what I'm really wanting. I want to be able to pick and choose my recordings. So I definitely don't want to leave this set to No all the time.

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by james_k_p

And how would I do this?

Check the Downloads section (on the bar above). In there, search for Multi-Function Stop. That is the plugin you want. Basically what it does is, when you press stop, instead of it juststopping, it pops up a menu with a few different options.

[james_k_p]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

Check the Downloads section (on the bar above). In there, search for Multi-Function Stop. That is the plugin you want. Basically what it does is, when you press stop, instead of it juststopping, it pops up a menu with a few different options.

Thanks, I found it. But by pressing stop, I'm assuming you mean using a remote which I don't do.

How do you press stop without that? I see if I go back to the program guide, click the recording program and go to recording options, I can tell it stop and keep partial recording...but then the thing keeps recording.

So after testing it, if I then choose "cancel recording", it still deletes the partial file. But if I change channels without pressing cancel recording is stays and the recording then stops due to the channel change.

No exactly perfect I guess, but it will have to do. Let me know if I'm missing something here.

Thanks,
James

[james_k_p]

Hmm I see, pressing stop on the buttons when you click the screen once also does it.

I guess this is somewhat useful, but I still dislike that once you tell it "stop and keep partial"....it keeps recording, albeit to a seperate mpg file. Then if I tell it to cancel recording, it deletes both! Ug!

[GKusnick]

Originally Posted by james_k_p

Let me know if I'm missing something here.

Chapter 5 of the manual lists the keyboard shortcuts for all commands. Stop is Ctrl+G by default. (You can remap remotes codes and keyboard shortcuts in Detailed Setup.)

[james_k_p]

Ok, thanks for the shortcut. I figured there was one, but it wasn't important enough for me to look it up.

The Stop is only for stopping playback, not stopping recording, leaving the file, and continuing playback..which is why that customization was created.

It would seem like such a simple thing would be built into sagetv.

[Fuzzy]

Simple perhaps, but I can't think of a situation where I'd use it, and I'm sure I 'm not alone. It sounds like you are wanting to just record a certain clip of a show? If that is the case, (and since Sage works pretty much exclusivly by show), your best option is probably to just record the whole show, and cut afterwards. I believe the 'Video Tools' plugin allows you to choose cut points and such, though I have never used it.

[james_k_p]

Yep, that's exactly what I'd like to do. Especially if I'm watching something really long, like a this hard rock show that is on the palladia or whatever it's called, the former MHD. The entire show is like 3 hours long. Some concert shows like this can be longer.
So I'd like to be watching it....and when an artist comes on that I like, I can flip record...get them..and then end it after their song as another artist will come up after them. To record the entire 3 hour show for a 3 minute performance just isn't worth it. The same thinking can be for watching a video channel and wanting individual videos. The program guide might show a 6 hour block of "music videos". So I'd be expected to record the entire 6 hour block? See, many reasons to have this feature although you don't use it.

But I don't even think this customization works right.
If I stop it, tell it to stop and keep partial, it jumps back to the program guide. Then if I try to retune to the same channel....it seems like it's in a state of pause. I can't get it to play again without pressing stop again, telling it to delete the file, then retuning.
The workaround is to tune to a different channel after telling it to stop and keep partial. Not how it should work of course in my opinion. Oh well .

[GKusnick]

In SageTV, there's no such thing as watching without recording. Sage cannot stream the video directly to your screen; it must record it to disk first. So in order to really truly stop recording when you hit Stop, it's going to have to stop playback too (because there will be nothing to play back from). That's just the way it's designed, and is not likely to change.

Personally I don't see what's so bad about letting it record the whole show, and having some simple way to set 'start' and 'stop' markers that can be used to transparently extract a clip from the recorded program. In UI terms it needn't be any more complicated than the old-fashioned VCR model of physically starting and stopping recording. The advantage to doing it this way is that if you screw up the markers the first time, and don't get quite the clip you wanted, you can always rewind and try again, which you couldn't do if it really stopped recording. I believe this is what the video tools plugin is designed to do, although I don't use it myself.

[stanger89]

Originally Posted by james_k_p

So I'd like to be watching it....and when an artist comes on that I like, I can flip record...get them..and then end it after their song as another artist will come up after them.

The thing is, regardless of whether you press record or not, Sage is recording the show the whole time you're watching it. Sage doesn't use a circular buffer like other PVR solutions. So there's no way to "watch" part of a show without recording it, and to "record" a different part.

Basically pressing "record" tells Sage you want to record (ie "Keep") the show, not pressing record allows Sage to treat the show as a temporary buffer and delete it when space is needed.

To record the entire 3 hour show for a 3 minute performance just isn't worth it. The same thinking can be for watching a video channel and wanting individual videos. The program guide might show a 6 hour block of "music videos". So I'd be expected to record the entire 6 hour block?

Yes, that is what you'd have to do, assuming you are watching it.

See, many reasons to have this feature although you don't use it.

Sage just isn't setup to work like that.

[james_k_p]

I hear you. I'm a channel flipper is all.

I guess if that customization thing worked right, I would be satisfied. At least now I know. Either turn off that option for live tv to be deleted, or let it record to the end of the hour .

What most recently happened that brought this to my attention was I wanted to record a local sports show on the Saints. Well because of Hurricane Gustav coverage on Sunday night (which was slotted to come on at 10:30pm), ended up getting pushed back to some weird time. I think it came on a few minutes after eleven. So I flipped back to that channel to see if it was on since it wasn't for my scheduled time, and it was on. So I quickly Pressed record. I told the option to go 15 minutes over or something. And then when the show was up, I did cancel because I wanted to end it and close sagetv. Of course by doing that, I lost my recording.

Anyways, that was my scenario. Thanks for all the input fellas.

[jvalj]

Something that happens to me occasionally is when I want to stop recording a program in the middle (e.g. a game) and change the channel to record something else I lose the first recording entirely. I did not understand from the explanations the proper manner to stop the first recording and keep its contents for later use. Is the same procedure used for favorites?

Is this what was meant by the ctrl-g option?

[nyplayer]

If you want to keep the partial recordings just go to settings customize set "Delete files when not using Intelligent Recording" to no. That will keep all your TV files even Partial ones.

[james_k_p]

Originally Posted by jvalj

Something that happens to me occasionally is when I want to stop recording a program in the middle (e.g. a game) and change the channel to record something else I lose the first recording entirely. I did not understand from the explanations the proper manner to stop the first recording and keep its contents for later use. Is the same procedure used for favorites?

Is this what was meant by the ctrl-g option?

Correct, there is no correct procedure for stopping recordings early. If you stop it early and don't have that live tv recording to delete feature set to no, you will lose your recording. That's my main beef too. In many instances, I'd like to stop recordings early. Now I know, don't do it. And if you have that live tv deletion thing set to no, you'll have to go into your folder and clean it out daily, if not hourly.

[stanger89]

Stopping recordings early isn't a problem, the Multifunction Stop customization does exactly that (from what I understand).

The problem comes when you want to stop "recording" but continue "watching" because in Sage, there's no distinction between the two. If you're watching, you're recording.