Can a HD PVR and PVR-150 co-exist in one system?

[stanger89]

Originally Posted by tvmaster2

well if that's the case, then doesn't that solve the mpg2 problem? All I need to do is enable the HD channels for the HD PVR, and visa versa for SD?

Yes, except Sage still won't know you've only got one STB, so it's very possible for it to try and record two things off your one STB at the same time.

Originally Posted by tvmaster2

ok, i'm stumped - how do i do that?

thanks

You'll have to remove and re-add one of your sources.

[tvmaster2]

Originally Posted by tvmaster2

ok, i'm stumped - how do i do that?

thanks

OK, I just figured out how to copy the listings. So that's done. Now, my next problem seems to be getting the channels to change. I know everyone says the IR blaster from Hauppauge is troublesome, but it was flawless for the PVR-150, so why would it be troublesome for the HD-PVR?

Also, if I plan to run both the 150 tuner and the HD-PVR, then there would be two IR transmitters stuck to my sat receiver, correct?

[stanger89]

There would be but Hauppauge's drivers don't support more than one blaster.

[davephan]

Originally Posted by tvmaster2

Had Sage Media Center installed with a Hauppauge PVR 150, working nicely, booted up to the taskbar in standby - remote worked, the world was joyous.

If you took an image of your system just before installing the HD-PVR, you could easily recover, helping you get the HD-PVR to install correctly.

I did have trouble getting all three Hauppauge devices to work together. I was able to easily recover the computer with an image and get it working correctly.

Sometimes things go bad when trying to install new devices. It is a lot less hassle if you can go back to a point-in-time when everything was working, earilier in the build process.

I recommend not using any Hauppauge IR receivers. Just get a USB-UIRT and you can control up to 3 set top boxes.

I saw one other post that said if you cover up the IR receiver on the HD-PVR, it is more stable. I think I will try that too. From my experience with Hauppauge IR receivers, I believe they are just poorly engineered and should not be used. The USB-UIRT is a much better solution and is stable.


Dave

[tvmaster2]

Originally Posted by davephan

If you took an image of your system just before installing the HD-PVR, you could easily recover, helping you get the HD-PVR to install correctly.

I did have trouble getting all three Hauppauge devices to work together. I was able to easily recover the computer with an image and get it working correctly.

Sometimes things go bad when trying to install new devices. It is a lot less hassle if you can go back to a point-in-time when everything was working, earilier in the build process.

I recommend not using any Hauppauge IR receivers. Just get a USB-UIRT and you can control up to 3 set top boxes.

I saw one other post that said if you cover up the IR receiver on the HD-PVR, it is more stable. I think I will try that too. From my experience with Hauppauge IR receivers, I believe they are just poorly engineered and should not be used. The USB-UIRT is a much better solution and is stable.


Dave

I just talked to Hauppauge, and they aren't big on using two of their devices in a single box . . . go figure. And they also suggest NOT to use their IR blaster. I actually want to control ONE satellite receiver, not three, but be able to use both a PVR-150 and HD-PVR. I guess the USB-UIRT is the answer here? I have a Microsoft MCE IR blaster and remote, which has two phone-plug connections. Have you heard anything regarding their functionality?

[stanger89]

Originally Posted by tvmaster2

I actually want to control ONE satellite receiver, not three, but be able to use both a PVR-150 and HD-PVR. I guess the USB-UIRT is the answer here?

You understand Sage doesn't support that right?

[SWKerr]

I use my HD-PVR to capture old VCR tapes from the composite inputs. I know you can hook up both at the same time and set them up as separate tuners. I did not setup a guide for composite as I just manually tune the one input when I want to do an analog capture but I am sure you could. Not sure how sharing the Blaster would work.

Have you tried this? YOu should be able to select what to do in HD and what should be in analog with this setup, everything would just be recorded with the HD-PVR.

[stanger89]

What I mean is you'll have to configure two tuners, and Sage does not know only one STB is connected. That means that Sage can try and record one show on the say the PVR250 in SD, and another off the HD PVR in HD, using the same STB at the same time, and you'll end up with an SD and an HD recording of the same thing. I apologize if this is beating a dead horse, it's come up in a few different threads, but it's not clear if that point as sunk in. tvmaster2 is talking about using the HD PVR for HD and a PVR250 (or something SD, and MPEG-2) for SD, but connecting both to the same STB.

Yes, you can do that, Sage won't stop you, but Sage won't know it can't use both tuners at the same time. Which is different than connecting two different sources to different inputs on the same tuner card (which Sage also lets you do, and does work as expected).

[tvmaster2]

Originally Posted by stanger89

What I mean is you'll have to configure two tuners, and Sage does not know only one STB is connected. That means that Sage can try and record one show on the say the PVR250 in SD, and another off the HD PVR in HD, using the same STB at the same time, and you'll end up with an SD and an HD recording of the same thing. I apologize if this is beating a dead horse, it's come up in a few different threads, but it's not clear if that point as sunk in. tvmaster2 is talking about using the HD PVR for HD and a PVR250 (or something SD, and MPEG-2) for SD, but connecting both to the same STB.

Yes, you can do that, Sage won't stop you, but Sage won't know it can't use both tuners at the same time. Which is different than connecting two different sources to different inputs on the same tuner card (which Sage also lets you do, and does work as expected).

That's what I was afraid of. I'll have to re-evaluate the usefullness of the HD-PVR at this time. I guess the only good solution is a second tuner, and if that's the case, I will also need a USB-UIRT, if both PVR-150 and HD-PVR are in the same box? I could use a second HTPC, but the idea of leaving a second 350 watt power supply on all day is less than useful to me. Grrr. Not ready for prime time maybe. You'd think Hauppuage, with all their product design advantages over other manufacturers, would have thought of this. Oh well.

[gplasky]

Originally Posted by tvmaster2

That's what I was afraid of. I'll have to re-evaluate the usefullness of the HD-PVR at this time. I guess the only good solution is a second tuner, and if that's the case, I will also need a USB-UIRT, if both PVR-150 and HD-PVR are in the same box? I could use a second HTPC, but the idea of leaving a second 350 watt power supply on all day is less than useful to me. Grrr. Not ready for prime time maybe. You'd think Hauppuage, with all their product design advantages over other manufacturers, would have thought of this. Oh well.

You may find out that one of the IR blasters are working. It's just not the one you thought. If the HD-PVR blaster isn't working while the PVR-150 is in there try setting up the PVR-150 blaster for use. HAuppague has had this issue forever and they say the software for the IR only supports one IR in a system. Their iisue which they don't care to change. But your best bet is a USB-UIRT and another STB. USB-UIRT can control up to 3 STB with the purchase of extra emitters connect to a stereo-type jack.

Gerry

[tvmaster2]

Originally Posted by gplasky

You may find out that one of the IR blasters are working. It's just not the one you thought. If the HD-PVR blaster isn't working while the PVR-150 is in there try setting up the PVR-150 blaster for use. HAuppague has had this issue forever and they say the software for the IR only supports one IR in a system. Their iisue which they don't care to change. But your best bet is a USB-UIRT and another STB. USB-UIRT can control up to 3 STB with the purchase of extra emitters connect to a stereo-type jack.

Gerry

Ok, thanks for the advice. I just don't envision a HD200 in every room yet, and I fear that's where this is heading -