Is this a dumb idea?

[panteragstk]

Hey guys. I was going to move to a client/server system soon, but have decided to put the move on hold because of the new plugin that will allow us to use the "relaxed" drm cable card's with W7. I don't like the idea of using W7 as a server because WHS has quite a few features that I'd like to use.

My idea is this: Let the W7 pc be the server, but it's only duties will be recording TV and streaming to clients. All of the file serving duties and back-ups will be handled by a WHS server.

Basically the W7 pc will be the sage server and WHS will have all of my important files and will serve as my backup server for my other pc's.

What do you guys think? Will I be introducing an unnecessary bottleneck by having 2 servers?

[bcjenkins]

How does SageTV fit into this?

B

[panteragstk]

Originally Posted by bcjenkins

How does SageTV fit into this?

B

SageTV server would be on the W7 pc with the new cable card plugin to do all of the tv recording and placeshifting and anything else the sagetv server would have to do. The WHS pc would be primarily for backup/file sharing.

At first I wanted to use WHS with sage running on it for the server, but since we have the ability to use cable cards with sagetv and W7 through the plugin I'd have to either not use WHS or use WHS and W7.

[gplasky]

Originally Posted by panteragstk

SageTV server would be on the W7 pc with the new cable card plugin to do all of the tv recording and placeshifting and anything else the sagetv server would have to do. The WHS pc would be primarily for backup/file sharing.

At first I wanted to use WHS with sage running on it for the server, but since we have the ability to use cable cards with sagetv and W7 through the plugin I'd have to either not use WHS or use WHS and W7.

I think your other option is to use WHS as your SageTV server. Your Windows 7 PC is the PC that will have the cablecard tuner and the plugin from babgvant. This plugin will make the Windows 7 PC a Sage network encoder. Your SageTV server on WHS will control all the recording just like it was another SageTV tuner on the network. (think like the HDHomerun.) So you can have the best of both worlds.

Gerry

[panteragstk]

Originally Posted by gplasky

I think your other option is to use WHS as your SageTV server. Your Windows 7 PC is the PC that will have the cablecard tuner and the plugin from babgvant. This plugin will make the Windows 7 PC a Sage network encoder. Your SageTV server on WHS will control all the recording just like it was another SageTV tuner on the network. (think like the HDHomerun.) So you can have the best of both worlds.

Gerry

Awesome. I didn't know it would use it as a network encoder. So I could potentially have multiple cable card network encoders for as many tuners as I wanted?

[bcjenkins]

Originally Posted by gplasky

I think your other option is to use WHS as your SageTV server. Your Windows 7 PC is the PC that will have the cablecard tuner and the plugin from babgvant. This plugin will make the Windows 7 PC a Sage network encoder. Your SageTV server on WHS will control all the recording just like it was another SageTV tuner on the network. (think like the HDHomerun.) So you can have the best of both worlds.

Gerry

Hold the phone. Are you saying that there is a plugin which will allow cable card access to be used as a network encoder and not be affected by DRM?

That would be awesome.

B

[Chriscic]

You won't be able to record all channels. Definitely not the premiums. But many other channels depending on your local cable provider.

I have zero interest in any solution that won't let me record everything I subscribe to, but others seem to have some interest in cablecard with sage.

[bcjenkins]

too bad

[gplasky]

Originally Posted by bcjenkins

Hold the phone. Are you saying that there is a plugin which will allow cable card access to be used as a network encoder and not be affected by DRM?

That would be awesome.

B

http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44864
It's not here yet but maybe coming soon. It would record the copy freely shows and move them to Sage.

Gerry

[Clift]

Originally Posted by Chriscic

You won't be able to record all channels. Definitely not the premiums. But many other channels depending on your local cable provider.

I have zero interest in any solution that won't let me record everything I subscribe to, but others seem to have some interest in cablecard with sage.

Well I see the CableCARD solution as being similar to the HDHomerun except more channels will be available than ClearQAM. It's just one step further. And if you live in an area where most programming is copy freely, then more kudos. It's certainly not for everyone.

Anyway, regarding setting up a separate PC for the network encoder, well I guess you can do it but man that would get pricey running two PCs like that.

[Tiki]

You just need to remember that this plugin is in a very early beta stage and is more or less un-tested at this point. It sounds like it should be very cool, but you need to have reasonable expectations and be prepared to tinker. No one is really sure how the cable companies will be setting the copy flags on their broadcasts, so it is possible that you might be able to record nearly everything or almost nothing to Sage.

[dfitz43]

I'm probably missing something very obvious, but why is it that programming which has CCI = 0x01 (copy no more) or 0x02 (copy once) doesn't work? Isn't the file only written once? Or the "recontainering the MC file to TS file in SageTV recording directory" is write #2? I guess I've answered my own question.

Anyway, other forums would suggest that T-W is the most restrictive and Comcast and Verizon FIOS TV are much more liberal in terms of allowing everything but non-premium (HBO, Showtime, etc) content to be copy freely.

Tivo forum with people bitching about TW's implementation of copy once:
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb.../t-434742.html

Anyway, I think the plugin is a great step forward, assuming you have a decent array of copy freely channels. If the Ceton cards materialize as promised, could be very encouraging.

cheers,
Dave

[gplasky]

Originally Posted by dfitz43

I'm probably missing something very obvious, but why is it that programming which has CCI = 0x01 (copy no more) or 0x02 (copy once) doesn't work? Isn't the file only written once? Or the "recontainering the MC file to TS file in SageTV recording directory" is write #2? I guess I've answered my own question.

Anyway, other forums would suggest that T-W is the most restrictive and Comcast and Verizon FIOS TV are much more liberal in terms of allowing everything but non-premium (HBO, Showtime, etc) content to be copy freely.

Tivo forum with people bitching about TW's implementation of copy once:
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb.../t-434742.html

Anyway, I think the plugin is a great step forward, assuming you have a decent array of copy freely channels. If the Ceton cards materialize as promised, could be very encouraging.

cheers,
Dave

Those files would contain DRM which this solution wouldn't be able to transcode the files for SageTV use.

Gerry