Narflex please keep fighting for client licenses

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by sleonard

In Win7 you have the ability to boot directly from a VHD. All you need is a reference to it in the boot.ini file. If you were to do this than the video performance would probably be just as good while still being able to dicard the undo disc every thirty days.

S

That is completely different than running the client in a virtual machine.

[ThePaladinTech]

Originally Posted by sleonard

I think it's "you catch more flies with honey than vinager".

S

Doh! it was something with honey, vinegar, and something

[ThePaladinTech]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

That is completely different than running the client in a virtual machine.

but with the vhd approach you could do the roll back quicker then doing any other method of imaging.

[Savage1701]

Perhaps a bit on the Rube Goldberg side, but wondering if HiperOS utility might make the 21-day samples easier to roll over, if it came to that.

Never used it, but it looks intriguing. You can literally keep dozens of "hot spare" OS's ready to roll. But I don't know if the clock ticks on those or not.

Just a thought.

[APillowOfClouds]

Originally Posted by Savage1701

Perhaps a bit on the Rube Goldberg side, but wondering if HiperOS utility might make the 21-day samples easier to roll over, if it came to that.

Never used it, but it looks intriguing. You can literally keep dozens of "hot spare" OS's ready to roll. But I don't know if the clock ticks on those or not.

Just a thought.

What I have seen done with other apps, and just to be clear NOT BY ME and I DO NOT intend to do this with Sage, is to just image a fresh windows install. Each time the trial expires, roll back to the fresh Win install and reinstall the software. That way you are assured that it will install and function.

[Savage1701]

Originally Posted by APillowOfClouds

What I have seen done with other apps, and just to be clear NOT BY ME and I DO NOT intend to do this with Sage, is to just image a fresh windows install. Each time the trial expires, roll back to the fresh Win install and reinstall the software. That way you are assured that it will install and function.

Basically that is what HiperOS' software does, for people who need multiple redundant backups, or want to run a video OS, a game OS for the kids, and a business OS, and then keep an orginal image. It's complex looking for sure.

I don't know why you can't do what you are talking about above - I ghost my business computers twice a day with 2 different ghost systems, plus keep original bare metal installs. My Sage install on XP is about 15GB. A fast system drive and a fast backup drive should have you at about a 15-mimute chore every three weeks, assuming you pull out Wizbin and Wizback and Properties and such.

I've done it with licensed systems twice when a hard drive has failed. It's really easy and fast.

[traker1001]

You know all this argument about sage licenses, People seem to forget or not realize that the Keys and the trial period limitation is actually another program altogether. So while the Sage software itself is a program. The trial period and license keys are result of another program altogether, Can you really consider these covered under the license agreement?

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by traker1001

You know all this argument about sage licenses, People seem to forget or not realize that the Keys and the trial period limitation is actually another program altogether. So while the Sage software itself is a program. The trial period and license keys are result of another program altogether, Can you really consider these covered under the license agreement?

What in the world are you talking about. Yes.. SageTV, LLC generated keys with a different program.. but the EULA governs use of SageTV.exe, SageTVClient.exe, and associated distributed binaries by holders of valid sagetv licenses (the license is a legal term, not the actual key code itself). The keycode is just a way for sagetv to encourage use within the EULA.

The trial period is NOT a separate program, it is a relaxation of the key requirement for the first 21 days of use. Legally, this is granted as a temporary license to use the software, within the EULA.

[davephan]

Originally Posted by APillowOfClouds

What I have seen done with other apps, and just to be clear NOT BY ME and I DO NOT intend to do this with Sage, is to just image a fresh windows install. Each time the trial expires, roll back to the fresh Win install and reinstall the software. That way you are assured that it will install and function.

If you needed a SageTV client because your HD media extender failed or you need another TV connected, what is wrong with using the demo for 21 days over and over for decades if necessary? The demo exists so you can make sure the product will work for you. After the first 21 days, you probably would be ready to purchase the license. However, if they refuse to sell you the license, why not keep demoing the client until they agree to sell you the license? You would not be demoing the product to avoid paying a license fee, your demoing the product because they refuse to sell the client license to an existing SageTV user who has a track record of purchasing other licenses from SageTV.


Dave

[hemicuda]

Originally Posted by uberpixel

You can definitely see how we are all moving through these stages as we mourn our loss...

Denial: Must've been a mistake - why would google kill SageTV? Does google even know what SageTV is?

Anger: How could SageTV sell out and leave us twisting in the wind? Doesn't Jeff know I was about to pad his wallet with $150 for a new HD300. Not to mention that $29 client license that may really come in handy? How could he walk away from all of my money?

Bargaining: Maybe we can get google to open the store back up for a day - just one day? For additional bargaining see eBay and search SageTV...

Depression: This just sucks (this is where I'm at for the moment).

Acceptance: What choice do we have but to accept the situation and hope for the best? (see also: defeat)


I'm not ready to give up on SageTV just yet, but it seems odd that more care wasn't taken towards keeping the existing user base satisfied. What's the harm in letting us know that SageTV has been purchased and we have only 3 months to purchase SageTV products before the store is permanently closed?

I'm stuck between 2 & 4, closer to 2. but for now i'll keep on as normal until things stabilize. and will start looking at alternative guide options. i really would like to get hold of extra inventory for spares though.

[APillowOfClouds]

Originally Posted by davephan

If you needed a SageTV client because your HD media extender failed or you need another TV connected, what is wrong with using the demo for 21 days over and over for decades if necessary? The demo exists so you can make sure the product will work for you. After the first 21 days, you probably would be ready to purchase the license. However, if they refuse to sell you the license, why not keep demoing the client until they agree to sell you the license? You would not be demoing the product to avoid paying a license fee, your demoing the product because they refuse to sell the client license to an existing SageTV user who a track record of purchasing other licenses from SageTV.


Dave

That's an awesome argument. You get the Tom Cruise "Did you order the code red" award of the day.

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by APillowOfClouds

That's an awesome argument. You get the Tom Cruise "Did you order the code red" award of the day.

For me, it more comes down to damages. What are the damages to google for running your client in this manner? I can see none.

[traker1001]

The problem with running sage this way, Doesn't sage protect from both the client and server side. So say you have MC on your server and its registered, but your client license expires, Doesn't this register with the server that the specific client has expired, Thus restoring from backup then re-installing would do no good unless you did it to both the server and client.

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by traker1001

The problem with running sage this way, Doesn't sage protect from both the client and server side. So say you have MC on your server and its registered, but your client license expires, Doesn't this register with the server that the specific client has expired, Thus restoring from backup then re-installing would do no good unless you did it to both the server and client.

No, the server ties the client license key to the MAC address it is connected from. The trial has no key, and is just allowed (because the trial timer is handled on the client only). Even so, the key to address links are stored session level, meaning it is clear when the satev server restarts. the system wasnt' designed to prevent teh constant reimaging, because frankly, at the time, it woudlnt' be worth someones time/effort to establish such a situation, when the client licenses were only $30. Now that they are unavailable, many more woudl be interested in such.

[traker1001]

What about the place shifter licenses, Aren't they stored at the server? I just assumed all the licenses were stored the same.

[Fuzzy]

Yes, placeshifter licenses are stored on the server, as they are per connection, not per seat.

[MCE-Refugee]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

For me, it more comes down to damages. What are the damages to google for running your client in this manner?

Absolutely none & just the same damages to Google as transferring a licence to another person but that too is forbidden by the terms of the EULA even giving a licence for free is forbidden. Offering to give away a licence for free will get your forum post deleted & account moderated. Given that history I am surprised that this discussion of how to evade the trial licence T&Cs is still here.

[speck55]

Originally Posted by MCE-Refugee

Absolutely none & just the same damages to Google as transferring a licence to another person but that too is forbidden by the terms of the EULA even giving a licence for free is forbidden. Offering to give away a licence for free will get your forum post deleted & account moderated. Given that history I am surprised that this discussion of how to evade the trial licence T&Cs is still here.

'cause, you know, like, Google's pretty short handed these days?

[Fuzzy]

because this discussion is not about violating the EULA (which doesn't define the trial terms).

[davephan]

Does anyone still think that the client license problem will be solved? Google could even charge for the client licenses and people would buy them like hotcakes, even for a product with no future development. It would make money for Google and reduce the ill will. There's no downside. When they don't offer to sell the client licenses, it's like putting thousands of dollars in a burning barrel and burning the money they could have made. Instead of making extra money, Google will save money by laying off people and not paying their income taxes.

Dave