New Dish Hopper 3 4k is 16 Tuner

[SHS]

that alot
http://www.dish.com/ces/
There even a new Joey 4k

[wayner]

Another reason for a 4K capture device!

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by SHS

that alot
http://www.dish.com/ces/
There even a new Joey 4k

My guess is it is NOT 16 tuners. Dish packs a lot of streams into a single channel, so it can likely record up to 16 streams at a time - but it may only have 4-6 actual tuners in it.

[SHS]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

My guess is it is NOT 16 tuners. Dish packs a lot of streams into a single channel, so it can likely record up to 16 streams at a time - but it may only have 4-6 actual tuners in it.

That what I thinking to Fuzzy and if that case then Dish is just banch lier

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by SHS

That what I thinking to Fuzzy and if that case then Dish is just banch lier

Dish groups similar stations on the same channel, though, so for most people's tastes, it likely can record 16 shows at a time.

[SHS]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

Dish groups similar stations on the same channel, though, so for most people's tastes, it likely can record 16 shows at a time.

That PrimeTime Anytime features that possable but though CEO said at CES steam that was gone.
What I can't get pass is the one harddrive to me that just impossable to do 16 recoding and 7 per-record playback (1 Hopper with 6 Joey)
How ever ever it dose seem have some new UI features

Any watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heaJjCKYKm0#t=27692
Tell me what you think of it

[Fuzzy]

Dish network only runs 5Mbps per station, so 16 likely could stream to a dedicated hard drive just fine, especially with properly designed buffering (which is much easier done no embedded systems than a general purpose computer).

[SHS]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

Dish network only runs 5Mbps per station, so 16 likely could stream to a dedicated hard drive just fine, especially with properly designed buffering (which is much easier done no embedded systems than a general purpose computer).

It use be 5Mbps per station now it 8+Mbps per station that what Dish AnyWhere is saying when I watch them on PC it tell me the Bitrate for direct feed over local lan

[Monedeath]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

My guess is it is NOT 16 tuners. Dish packs a lot of streams into a single channel, so it can likely record up to 16 streams at a time - but it may only have 4-6 actual tuners in it.

That would be my guess, they're pulling sub-channels in. I haven't looked at the advertising but a good "tell" on that would be how they market the capability. If they're saying you "can tune UP TO 16 channels at a time." Then they probably have 4 actual tuners with the ability to process 4 sub-channels each. I guess 8 and 2 or 2 and 8 is possible, but I'm thinking 4/4 is more likely. 2/8 would be too likely to be noticed and unless they'very gone h265 on their downlink, I doubt they have the channel bandwidth to pull it off. 8 tuners in one mass market device just strikes me as being just as unlikely as 16. Particularly when we know they're using sub-channels for much of their content. (Which also leaves the question of why only 2 sub-channels, when you know some are more tightly packed than that-- which tends to rule out 8 tuners, or they would claim a higher "up to" number. 6 tuners gets ruled out as there is no reasonable way to get to 16 from 6)

Which means that depending on how they group their programming and how people watch TV in a given house, they'll possibly have occasion to only be able to record 5 or 6 things at once(that they intend to watch). I think someone would have to try in order to actually use the 4 tuners and have 5th program they want to record that isn't "grouped" with one of the other 4.

[SHS]

The new Hopper 3 dose need a new LNB and best part is form what I have heard is so far it only need one wire setup now.

That what I kind of thinking to Monedeath, I do know there are 1x8 tuner out there in fact that what Google Fiber Box has now has 8 Tuner.
I don't see how this going even going get this work with million people becuases PrimeTime Anytime steam which I believe are done at Dish home base by mux up 4 channel ABC, CBS, FOX and NBC all in to one steam and senting it out over the satellite transponder, That would work with the most popular channel but any case that still would be a fat lie on dish part if that where case.
I'm sure we see more on this when the device get out in feb into march.

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by SHS

The new Hopper 3 dose need a new LNB and best part is form what I have heard is so far it only need one wire setup now.

That what I kind of thinking to Monedeath, I do know there are 1x8 tuner out there in fact that what Google Fiber Box has now has 8 Tuner.
I don't see how this going even going get this work with million people becuases PrimeTime Anytime steam which I believe are done at Dish home base by mux up 4 channel ABC, CBS, FOX and NBC all in to one steam and senting it out over the satellite transponder, That would work with the most popular channel but any case that still would be a fat lie on dish part if that where case.
I'm sure we see more on this when the device get out in feb into march.

Google fiber doesn't TUNE anything - it's all digital streaming over fiber.

[SHS]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

Google fiber doesn't TUNE anything - it's all digital streaming over fiber.

That my be ture but it still has them on it own channel assign for each TV station that allows you recording up to 8 shows at once that still baselly the same as 8 tuner but with just one diff it and IP television service so how is that any then ATSC or Satellite which also all digital streaming as well.

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by SHS

That my be ture but it still has them on it own channel assign for each TV station that allows you recording up to 8 shows at once that still baselly the same as 8 tuner but with just one diff it and IP television service so how is that any then ATSC or Satellite which also all digital streaming as well.

The point we were trying to make is it is unlikely that this device actually has 16 separate tuners (the electronics that will filter and demodulate the RF signal) in it.

[Monedeath]

Originally Posted by SHS

That my be ture but it still has them on it own channel assign for each TV station that allows you recording up to 8 shows at once that still baselly the same as 8 tuner but with just one diff it and IP television service so how is that any then ATSC or Satellite which also all digital streaming as well.

Google Fiber has an 8 Channel Streaming limit as something of a bandwidth (and probably distribution/licensing terms) constraint (from the networks providing the "content"), and for the vast majority of households, particularly in the context of their DVR environment(even knowing it is SageTV8), it is a closed ecosystem. So in the context of their system, the odds are very good that is they're truly trying to view and record more than 8 things at once, they're probably not your standard household with parent(s) and 2.4 children in it. They're probably a commercial user, or a home user doing things outside the normal scope of their intended service.

Even the cable company's for years have held to "Standard home service" to be providing services to 3 television sets. Obviously, that's been blown away by M-Card tuners in particular(which you pay extra for, but as thy can monetize that, they're happy enough), but vestiges of it are still around and out there if you dig around.

[wayner]

Originally Posted by Monedeath

Even the cable company's for years have held to "Standard home service" to be providing services to 3 television sets. Obviously, that's been blown away by M-Card tuners in particular(which you pay extra for, but as thy can monetize that, they're happy enough), but vestiges of it are still around and out there if you dig around.

Really- just three sets? Here in Canada the cable companies are generally more conservative but their standard services comes with 4 outlets and you can add another 4 for $75 - the additional cost is for a distribution amp and additional initial setup.

When I moved into my house I had them give me 8 outlets and they ran a second run from the street to my house which is great as I now have redundancy if someone digs up my line, which has happened at least once in the past 9 years.

[SHS]

Originally Posted by wayner

Really- just three sets? Here in Canada the cable companies are generally more conservative but their standard services comes with 4 outlets and you can add another 4 for $75 - the additional cost is for a distribution amp and additional initial setup.

When I moved into my house I had them give me 8 outlets and they ran a second run from the street to my house which is great as I now have redundancy if someone digs up my line, which has happened at least once in the past 9 years.

Some here when I was live in Ohio and with TW I had has min as 8 set-top box even with Satellite with both Dish and DirecTV.

I may be wrong Monedeath but CableONE I believe still has that which wouldn't surpize me one bit if your still with them as your in Idaho as I use to live in Boise/Nampa/Caldwell area and guest who I have now I hate there data caps.

Google Fiber has an 8 Channel Streaming limit as something of a bandwidth

Some how I kind don't think so with 1GB Internet I just think it more like they max out the hardware limits with one 2TB hard drive.

[SHS]

Well I most say I'm in shock it dose have 16 on board Tuner and with one USB OTA device that give 17 Tuner for a total 20 Recording with pne channel being PTAT.

[Monedeath]

Originally Posted by SHS

I may be wrong Monedeath but CableONE I believe still has that which wouldn't surpize me one bit if your still with them as your in Idaho as I use to live in Boise/Nampa/Caldwell area and guest who I have now I hate there data caps.

Yes, CableONE country here. They're more than happy to provide tuners and other resources for more than 3. But you're going to pay extra for them. With the transition to digital you pretty much need a STB of some kind or a CableCard to tune into anything except Local stations, shopping networks, CSPAN, and some religious networks.

Prior to that they did claim a 3 set limit(As did AT&T and TCI before them), but if you had an Amp and a properly wired house, they'd never say anything. They did call us once when a wiring issue in the house was reflecting power back into their system though.

As to their Data Caps... Our general practice is to avoid communal internet bandspaces. So never used them for data, particularly when CenturyLink has no transfer cap. 40 meg down is fast enough in most cases, and being able to move at full speed at 7pm without concern for caps was more important in our book.

[SHS]

Originally Posted by Monedeath

Yes, CableONE country here. They're more than happy to provide tuners and other resources for more than 3. But you're going to pay extra for them. With the transition to digital you pretty much need a STB of some kind or a CableCard to tune into anything except Local stations, shopping networks, CSPAN, and some religious networks.

Prior to that they did claim a 3 set limit(As did AT&T and TCI before them), but if you had an Amp and a properly wired house, they'd never say anything. They did call us once when a wiring issue in the house was reflecting power back into their system though.

As to their Data Caps... Our general practice is to avoid communal internet bandspaces. So never used them for data, particularly when CenturyLink has no transfer cap. 40 meg down is fast enough in most cases, and being able to move at full speed at 7pm without concern for caps was more important in our book.

That odd CenturyLink has datacap
1.5Mbps plans – 150 Gigabytes
Plans greater than 1.5Mbps – 250 Gigabytes
7pm to what end time ?

[Monedeath]

Originally Posted by SHS

That odd CenturyLink has datacap
1.5Mbps plans – 150 Gigabytes
Plans greater than 1.5Mbps – 250 Gigabytes
7pm to what end time ?

They must have changed policies. Their DSL services have previously been uncapped. Edit: Yup, caps are what you outlined, although enforcement is another matter, their AUP even says they may not actually do anything if you go over, depending on various factors. Cable One in comparison may send you a bill for any overage, at their discretion. (Although their caps are currently more generous at the higher tiers it seems)

As to the 7pm comment. That was in regards to cable modems and their being on "communal" hub type setup. During the right time of day you might get considerably better than advertised speeds as nobody else is doing much on your loop. But at other times of the day, such as the traditional "Prime Time" hours following the end of the traditional workday, and that blazing fast cable connection slows to a crawl as everyone on the loop tries to use it at the same time to stream YouTube, Netflix, play Call of Duty, torrenting works of David Bowie, etc.

Which tends to make 6pm to about 10pm (local time) usually the worst time of day for cable modem users in general when it comes to their quality of service. They've supposedly gotten better about detecting and implementing solutions to overbooked loops, so if it does get really bad, it usually will only be for a few days before they split or otherwise reconfigure the loops membership, but it still happens.