In Windows what's the diff between Vs 7 & 9?

[wayner]

I installed V9 last night on a new server running Win10, thanks to jusjoken's Windows installer.

It isn't obvious to me right now what the differences are, if any, between V7 and V9.

Are there any material differences?

p.s. The one that I really want to see is a way to be able to run 64 bit Java or some other solution to having 4+ extenders simultaneously connected. I think this has been done in Linux but not in Win.

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by wayner

I installed V9 last night on a new server running Win10, thanks to jusjoken's Windows installer.

It isn't obvious to me right now what the differences are, if any, between V7 and V9.

Are there any material differences?

p.s. The one that I really want to see is a way to be able to run 64 bit Java or some other solution to having 4+ extenders simultaneously connected. I think this has been done in Linux but not in Win.

v9 has a lot of back-end improvements, done primarily for google fiber, but database access should be greatly improved, as well as 'blocking' Spinning circles while databases operations are in progress) more limited. Visually and operationally, though, little has changed as of yet. Andy has added some extra information to a recordings details screen that will show why a show was recorded (most helpful for Intelligent Recording users). There are some improvements in the back-end for keeping network encoders operating after a momentary loss or late start of them.

The most important change in v9, however, is the license - and the fact that the community can continue to improve it, so the more people who make the switch to v9, the more the developers might be able to gauge interest in various improvements and features.

[wayner]

Thanks Fuzzy - I do get the spinning circles a lot but I believe that is due to running out of memory in the JVM. I won't get to test that in a real world simulation as much until I shift most/all of my extenders over.

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by wayner

Thanks Fuzzy - I do get the spinning circles a lot but I believe that is due to running out of memory in the JVM. I won't get to test that in a real world simulation as much until I shift most/all of my extenders over.

Best option if you've got a ton of extenders would be to move your server to linux and run it there in 64-bit.

[Narflex]

If you're getting low on memory in the VM...you won't see the spinning circle moving at all because garbage collection would be the issue and that halts all VM activity when it's being done. If it's moving..then there's a good chance the database improvements will fix the problem.

[jriskin]

It made a MASSIVE difference in speed in the UI. I've been running this box in various forms since at least May 2005 (according to my oldest win.biz backup) and it was starting to get very slow and I was attributing that to either out of jvm memory or slow database access.

It's XP and was Java 6. I updated to Java8 and V9 and now things are screaming fast!

I can't thank the developers enough for putting this out there for all the long term Sage users!!!

[tvmaster2]

Originally Posted by jriskin

It made a MASSIVE difference in speed in the UI. I've been running this box in various forms since at least May 2005 (according to my oldest win.biz backup) and it was starting to get very slow and I was attributing that to either out of jvm memory or slow database access.

It's XP and was Java 6. I updated to Java8 and V9 and now things are screaming fast!

I can't thank the developers enough for putting this out there for all the long term Sage users!!!

what OS and what bit, 32 or 64?

[jriskin]

XP 32-bit SP3, whatever the last version they put out.

Since Sage got bought I went with the 'if it ain't broke' method of updating that machine. It's been reliably working for so long i try not to mess with it. But, it got so slow and the with shiny new updates coming again, i'm totally jazzed.

[wayner]

To be honest I don't notice a lot of speed increases on my V9 rig vs V7. My V7 system is about 6 years old, runs Win7, has an SSD and a mid-line CPU for the time it was bought.

My new V9 system has pretty much the fastest i7 CPU you can buy (i7-6700K), runs Win10-64 bit and has a PCIx4 SSD for the system that is about 3X faster than regular SATA SSDs.

@jriskin - did you make other changes. like putting the system on an SSD. That makes a big difference.

[gdippel]

A benefit I noticed when upgrading to V9 concerns my HD300 HDMI connection to my Onkyo receiver. With V7 (Windows) I had intermittent signal drops when connecting the HD300 to the receiver. After these signal drops, I could only get back picture by restarting the receiver and TV. I tried replacing the HDMI cable, switching HDMI ports on the receiver but ultimately I had to hook the HD300 directly to my TV via HDMI while connecting to the receiver via a S/PDIF optical cable. A disadvantage of this setup is the HD300 inability to decode Dolby HD Master.

After upgrading to version 9, on a hunch I reverted back to connecting the HD300 via HDMI to the receiver. Apparently problem solved. No dropouts for several months running. Was the HD300 previously getting a corrupted stream from my V7 server which caused the dropouts which V9 corrected? Anyone care to hazard a guess? Thanks.

[Fuzzy]

The stream and such from the server to the HD300 is not in any way associated with the signalling from the HD300 out the HDMI port. The fact that the HD300 firmware has also not changed chocks this up to a coincidence more than anything else. The HD300's do have a notoriously low HDMI signal strength, so it doesn't take much (poor connection, poor cable, or weakening circuitry on the receiving end) to cause a loss of signal. Many people have found that a really cheap powered HDMI splitter works wonders for making the signal more reliable.

[turak]

Originally Posted by Narflex

If you're getting low on memory in the VM...you won't see the spinning circle moving at all because garbage collection would be the issue and that halts all VM activity when it's being done. If it's moving..then there's a good chance the database improvements will fix the problem.

I've actually seen a pretty drastic reduction in spinning circles on clients after increasing the memory of the server JVM.

[daminc]

I've been on the fence about upgrading my system. I still have an old Pentium4 3.2 running windows 7, with only 2 gigs of Ram... not sure if it would speed anything up, or slow it down more with the V9 upgrade. I have 2 extenders that only run one at a time, and most of the time stuff is pretty quick even while recording multiple shows, and watching movies off my usb drives from the server... So I was wondering if the guru's here think it would be worth while, before I dove into the upgrade, or better if I waited till I get a new system next winter

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by daminc

I've been on the fence about upgrading my system. I still have an old Pentium4 3.2 running windows 7, with only 2 gigs of Ram... not sure if it would speed anything up, or slow it down more with the V9 upgrade. I have 2 extenders that only run one at a time, and most of the time stuff is pretty quick even while recording multiple shows, and watching movies off my usb drives from the server... So I was wondering if the guru's here think it would be worth while, before I dove into the upgrade, or better if I waited till I get a new system next winter

I don't see why it would slow anything down. v9 doesn't really add any processes, just alters the way the database is managed a bit (optimizing it). It should perform better or on par with your existing v7 install. Keep in mind, that most of the database optimizations were done for v8, which was designed for embedded hardware slower than your Pentium4.

[daminc]

Thanks Fuzzy, Maybe I'll give it a shot next weekend

[sdsean]

Just curious. . .

I was going to just build the thing, but now that there's an installer, I may go that route. . .

However. . .I thought I read somewhere around here that you can't use v9 with the HD200 and HD300 extenders? I take it that's false?

[wnjj]

You can use a V9 server with the extenders. What you cannot do is compile new firmware for the extenders.

[jbrandon]

I have to ask - as a Google Fiber subscriber can you access the DVR content on the Fiber box using the SaveTV software? If you can, can you access it from outside the home network like Placeshifter?

When we had GF installed I took down my SageTV setup, really miss many things when using only the GF TV boxes.

The one bigie is the lack of add ins which made SageTV what it is, totally useful.

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

v9 has a lot of back-end improvements, done primarily for google fiber,

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by jbrandon

I have to ask - as a Google Fiber subscriber can you access the DVR content on the Fiber box using the SaveTV software? If you can, can you access it from outside the home network like Placeshifter?

When we had GF installed I took down my SageTV setup, really miss many things when using only the GF TV boxes.

The one bigie is the lack of add ins which made SageTV what it is, totally useful.

probably not - I'm betting it's pretty locked down. If you install sagetv client, it 'might' find your fiber box, but no telling if it'd be able to connect. I don't think very many sagetv users have been in google fiber areas, at least I haven't heard of many on here, so we don't have a lot of info of what was left in, either on purpose or accident.

[Narflex]

Yeah, you can't connect a SageTV system to a GFiber system. The extender would actually see the GFiber box..and offer to connect, but it wouldn't work.