Any reason(s) NOT to upgrade from v7 to v9?

[Nerva]

I've been running SageTV v7 successfully for many years, and I know there are some good things about v9. My question is are there any downsides to upgrading?

I have seen some mention of program guide licensing considerations? I'm not quite clear on what that really means though.

Also, I have built up a very long list of favorites -- can those be imported or otherwise somehow transferred to v9?

[tmiranda]

Originally Posted by Nerva

I've been running SageTV v7 successfully for many years, and I know there are some good things about v9. My question is are there any downsides to upgrading?

I have seen some mention of program guide licensing considerations? I'm not quite clear on what that really means though.

Also, I have built up a very long list of favorites -- can those be imported or otherwise somehow transferred to v9?

No reason to not upgrade. Most new functionality and plugins are Sage 9 only.

[korben_dallas]

If you're using the Windows server, the drop in method is pretty painless and won't require any changes wrt EPG.

[Nerva]

I use SageTV Windows Home Server edition on my "server" (which these days actually just runs Windows 7 x64). Does that complicate things?

By "drop in method" do you mean literally overwriting just the .exe files with their v9 versions?

[KarylFStein]

Originally Posted by Nerva

I use SageTV Windows Home Server edition on my "server" (which these days actually just runs Windows 7 x64). Does that complicate things?

By "drop in method" do you mean literally overwriting just the .exe files with their v9 versions?

I'd use the Windows installer: https://forums.sagetv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63009.

Make a full image backup first just in case, but it should be painless.

FYI, your favorites are in your wiz.bin file. If you don't back anything else up at least make a copy of that.

[korben_dallas]

Originally Posted by Nerva

I use SageTV Windows Home Server edition

hrmm, never heard there was a specific version for this

Originally Posted by Nerva

By "drop in method" do you mean literally overwriting just the .exe files with their v9 versions?

No. Download the SageJar.XXXXX.zip from latest version at https://bintray.com/opensagetv/sagetv/SageTV, backup all your SageTV files, and then extract/overwrite. You'll need to do the same on the server and any (software) clients. (Updating Java is a good idea also.)

[Nerva]

It looks like I originally bought "SageTV Media Center with Placeshifter License Combo". I've got an old install file titled "SageTV-WHS_V6_6_2Setup.msi".

Ah yes, now I remember -- yes, there definitely was a WHS version, because I remember it had a plug-in for the WHS console.

[haus]

I don't know if this is a plugin, a Google Code, or a Sage7 v 9 issue, but I've had some difficulty with plugins as a new V9 user. For example, trying to install Gemstone (which may only be available for 7 - I'm not sure) gets as far as a Phoenix core download and then fails.

I don't know enough about Sage to understand the details of errors like these but I'm guessing if they've been working for 7 users for awhile this may relate to 9.

[jusjoken]

Originally Posted by haus

I don't know if this is a plugin, a Google Code, or a Sage7 v 9 issue, but I've had some difficulty with plugins as a new V9 user. For example, trying to install Gemstone (which may only be available for 7 - I'm not sure) gets as far as a Phoenix core download and then fails.

I don't know enough about Sage to understand the details of errors like these but I'm guessing if they've been working for 7 users for awhile this may relate to 9.

Gemstone should install fine on v9 so if it does not please post the error and your sagetv log so we can resolve this.

k

[Monedeath]

Originally Posted by korben_dallas

hrmm, never heard there was a specific version for this

There was a WHS version way back in the day, I have one of those license keys. It was basically the Window's Client/Server with a special docker for the WHS(2003) control panel, which basically was the ServiceControl.exe with a couple extras(like entering product keys, IIRC)

[Monedeath]

Originally Posted by Nerva

It looks like I originally bought "SageTV Media Center with Placeshifter License Combo". I've got an old install file titled "SageTV-WHS_V6_6_2Setup.msi".

Ah yes, now I remember -- yes, there definitely was a WHS version, because I remember it had a plug-in for the WHS console.

Yup, it came with an included Placeshifter License because the WHS setup is supposed to be "headless" so you'd need the Placeshifter in order to actually see anything from an outside computer. Unless you also sprung for an HD Extender which was its own license. At least I know the 200's were. I think the 100's had slightly different rules, never had one of them. I know the MediaMVP's required Placeshifter though.

[Fuzzy]

The WHS version wasn't technically a different license. It's just a windows sagetv server license. The additional placeshifter/mvp/hd100 connection was granted by the WHS server software, not the license.

[Monedeath]

Yeah, it was a Windows license, it just included a placeshifter key with it.

The installer also included the docker for WHS. But they would have worked w/o the WHS license I'm sure. You just wouldn't have had the placeshifter license available. Which doesn't matter in v9 anyhow.

[Fuzzy]

Originally Posted by Monedeath

Yeah, it was a Windows license, it just included a placeshifter key with it.

The installer also included the docker for WHS. But they would have worked w/o the WHS license I'm sure. You just wouldn't have had the placeshifter license available. Which doesn't matter in v9 anyhow.

I'm not sure about that. I thought the server + placeshifter combo was just a combo deal, it had nothing to do with WHS. I believe WHS allowed a single miniclient connection without ever having to add a placeshifter license. You likely didn't have to buy the license combo if you were going to use WHS for the server (back when that was a common thing).

[Monedeath]

Someone digging through the forums could undoubtedly find the answer, the posts go back far enough.

All I know is I remember buying a WHS license during the V6 days, and it included a Placeshifter license. For V7 we just purchased the standard Windows upgrade key, and moved it over to a Windows 7 machine.

[Narflex]

I'm pretty sure the way it worked with WHS was that it detected that was the version of the OS and then added one to the count of detected placeshifter/extender licenses...so it didn't actually come with an extra key, it just did it based on the OS detection.

[Nerva]

I see in the Windows Installer thread original post, it says, "If you wish to retain Closed Captioning or MPEG2 decoders from your V7 install, please install V9 on top of a V7 install." Does that mean v9 is somehow missing that capability?

[jusjoken]

Originally Posted by Nerva

I see in the Windows Installer thread original post, it says, "If you wish to retain Closed Captioning or MPEG2 decoders from your V7 install, please install V9 on top of a V7 install." Does that mean v9 is somehow missing that capability?

v9 does not cone with mpeg2 decoders as they were a licensed part of v7. The capability to use it remains in v9 but you need to locate another source for mpeg2 decoders.

[Nerva]

I'm more concerned with closed captioning than MPEG2 -- there's plenty of options for the latter. Does v9 not have closed captioning?

[jusjoken]

Originally Posted by Nerva

I'm more concerned with closed captioning than MPEG2 -- there's plenty of options for the latter. Does v9 not have closed captioning?

it supports it but the decoder needs to support it too and the v7 decoder that shipped with v7 does not come with v9 that's why the suggestion to install over v7 to retain those decoders