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Sage Server: 8th gen Intel based system w/32GB RAM running Ubuntu Linux, HDHomeRun Prime with cable card for recording. Runs headless. Accessed via RD when necessary. Four HD-300 Extenders. |
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Don't forget the "live TV freeze" issue that was fixed for the Windows ciient. Plenty of Windows users responding to that thread.
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But yeah, the big thing for moving into Linux is it compiles Sage, and as such, has already been adapted to 64bit operation in large part. That bigger JVM is a big deal for many users, and since many/most SageTV installs are "headless" to start with, the OS Layer isn't too big of a deal for many people. They'll use whatever does the job for their needs. |
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Server: Ryzen 2400G with integrated graphics, ASRock X470 Taichi Motherboard, HDMI output to Vizio 1080p LCD, Win10-64Bit (Professional), 16GB RAM Capture Devices (7 tuners): Colossus (x1), HDHR Prime (x2),USBUIRT (multi-zone) Source: Comcast/Xfinity X1 Cable Primary Client: Server Other Clients: (1) HD200, (1) HD300 Retired Equipment: MediaMVP, PVR150 (x2), PVR150MCE, HDHR, HVR-2250, HD-PVR |
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I have no idea what the average user is doing for a server, but I have always done headless and I can say that Linux is by far better suited for headless than Windows 10 will ever be. I say this partly because of the uncontrollable updates. Windows 10 will never be an ideal platform for any PVR software so long as it cannot be tamed by a normal home user on all versions. Another part of it has to do with how much is running that you really don't need for a headless PVR and the very dense network stack. Some of those things that are running actually cause problems when you create new recordings for example because Windows tries to do far too much and often in a very badly conceived way. I'm sure the intentions were good, but the result is just bad.
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SageTV v9 Server: ASRock Z97 Extreme4, Intel i7-4790K @ 4.4Ghz, 32GB RAM, 6x 3TB 7200rpm HD, 2x 5TB 7200rpm HD, 2x 6TB 7200rpm HD, 4x 256GB SSD, 4x 500GB SSD, unRAID Pro 6.7.2 (Dual Parity + SSD Cache). Capture: 1x Ceton InfiniTV 4 (ClearQAM), 2x Ceton InfiniTV 6, 1x BM1000-HDMI, 1x BM3500-HDMI. Clients: 1x HD300 (Living Room), 1x HD200 (Master Bedroom). Software: OpenDCT :: WMC Live TV Tuner :: Schedules Direct EPG |
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I don't really mind using Windows 10, but there are definitely some things I don't like, and the direction it's going. Mine's always been headless, even when it was Windows. I'm using the Docker mainly for convenience. It saves me from running another machine 24/7, or having to run a whole Windows VM just for Sage. |
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SageTV at least seems to run better under Linux. I've noticed that it seems to consistently use less memory over time than running on Windows.
Like Stanger I'm running the docker. Running under unRAID. Other than my Windows domain controller I'm running at home it's the only other computer that's run 24/7. I now have quite a few services running as docker containers. Today I even dockerized a Node.js web service I wrote for a home passion project that I had previously running through an Ubuntu vm. With the exception of the Apple VPN I have running that completed my move away from vm's for services. As for systems that we sit and use I prefer Windows or macOS. Just to reiterate what Stanger said, while there are decent open source alternatives to many of the commercial Windows or Mac software packages I've found that they either don't provide nearly the same functionality or are more difficult to get the same functionality. Let's not mention games.
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Server: i5 8400, ASUS Prime H370M-Plus/CSM, 16GB RAM, 15TB drive array + 500GB cache, 2 HDHR's, SageTV 9, unRAID 6.6.3 Client 1: HD300 (latest FW), HDMI to an Insignia 65" 1080p LCD and optical SPDIF to a Sony Receiver Client 2: HD200 (latest FW), HDMI to an Insignia NS-LCD42HD-09 1080p LCD |
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But steam....
In all honesty, I used sage under a Windows VM, and a physical windows box without issues for years. I used full PC clients though so I didn't have memory issues. This was with v7. Pc clients worked well, but had their own set of issues as others have stated. I'll be using a v9 client PC once I get the theater done in my new house. It will be w7 just for simplicity. Now I use sage in a docker and my colossus cards in the same windows VM and everything works great. I have a shield TV and a mi box and both are pretty flawless. Skipping is instant and only rarely has issues. 5.1 doesn't work since I have mpeg2 recordings, but I'm looking to transcde on the fly, but haven't had the time to look into it. Exoplayer plays mpeg4 files without issue and I get 5.1 back. Basically, my SageTV experience has been very good, but I don't realy need the windows server component for anything other than to host my colossus' as network encoders.
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SageTV Server: unRAID Docker v9, S2600CPJ, Norco 24 hot swap bay case, 2x Xeon 2670, 64 GB DDR3, 3x Colossus for DirecTV, HDHR for OTA Living room: nVidia Shield TV, Sage Mini Client, 65" Panasonic VT60 Bedroom: Xiomi Mi Box, Sage Mini Client, 42" Panasonic PZ800u Theater: nVidia Shield TV, mini client, Plex for movies, 120" screen. Mitsubishi HC4000. Denon X4300H. 7.4.4 speaker setup. |
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3 years ago: 3 headless - 1 non-headless all Windows 7 Current: 4 headless 2 Linux & 2 Windows 7.
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For the die hard Win 7 users, if you keep your eye on Walmart's website, you can usually get a deal on Win 7 Pro 64 bit OEM;
https://www.walmart.com/ip/36009635 I grabbed a couple of these last week for $89 each. |
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Server: i5 8400, ASUS Prime H370M-Plus/CSM, 16GB RAM, 15TB drive array + 500GB cache, 2 HDHR's, SageTV 9, unRAID 6.6.3 Client 1: HD300 (latest FW), HDMI to an Insignia 65" 1080p LCD and optical SPDIF to a Sony Receiver Client 2: HD200 (latest FW), HDMI to an Insignia NS-LCD42HD-09 1080p LCD |
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SageTV v9 Server: ASRock Z97 Extreme4, Intel i7-4790K @ 4.4Ghz, 32GB RAM, 6x 3TB 7200rpm HD, 2x 5TB 7200rpm HD, 2x 6TB 7200rpm HD, 4x 256GB SSD, 4x 500GB SSD, unRAID Pro 6.7.2 (Dual Parity + SSD Cache). Capture: 1x Ceton InfiniTV 4 (ClearQAM), 2x Ceton InfiniTV 6, 1x BM1000-HDMI, 1x BM3500-HDMI. Clients: 1x HD300 (Living Room), 1x HD200 (Master Bedroom). Software: OpenDCT :: WMC Live TV Tuner :: Schedules Direct EPG |
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I mean no offense by this but sometimes it's the IT person, especially in a smaller business that only has a single individual, that is the root of issues like these. IT people, myself included at times, can be pig headed about their knowledge and may not even admit to themselves that they don't know what they don't know. Unfortunately, it's just the nature of the IT ego but can be just as damaging.
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Server: i5 8400, ASUS Prime H370M-Plus/CSM, 16GB RAM, 15TB drive array + 500GB cache, 2 HDHR's, SageTV 9, unRAID 6.6.3 Client 1: HD300 (latest FW), HDMI to an Insignia 65" 1080p LCD and optical SPDIF to a Sony Receiver Client 2: HD200 (latest FW), HDMI to an Insignia NS-LCD42HD-09 1080p LCD |
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This is true. Still, I can't help but wonder why a company that has the resources that Microsoft has can't make an operating system more intuitive as the years go by, rather than less intuitive (as perceived by the user).
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![]() Of course, that personal use includes games. ![]() However, I'm not happy with MS trying to monitor me since Windows 10 went into beta(and patching Win7 and later to do the same), but acknowledge Google does the same thing on Android. Apple also does much the same with their stuff. Which basically leaves Open Sourced efforts like Linux as the last man standing. I know a lot of people that are shifting to Linux on that ground alone. From a "Home Server" standpoint, the enforced updates in Win10 just further encourages people to not use a Windows platform so they don't have to deal with seemingly random updates breaking things at bad times for them. At least they can control when those updates happen on a Linux Box. |
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They're going for a "one OS to rule them all approach, and they're still fixated on the Home PC market to the detriment of business users. In the Home market, the desktop is dying, it is being replaced in large part by smartphones and tablets. As such, since Windows 8 they've been transitioning towards "a unified experience" and the method they chose was to make the desktop OS more like what you'd find on a tablet or smartphone.
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Server: i5 8400, ASUS Prime H370M-Plus/CSM, 16GB RAM, 15TB drive array + 500GB cache, 2 HDHR's, SageTV 9, unRAID 6.6.3 Client 1: HD300 (latest FW), HDMI to an Insignia 65" 1080p LCD and optical SPDIF to a Sony Receiver Client 2: HD200 (latest FW), HDMI to an Insignia NS-LCD42HD-09 1080p LCD |
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SageTV v9 Server: ASRock Z97 Extreme4, Intel i7-4790K @ 4.4Ghz, 32GB RAM, 6x 3TB 7200rpm HD, 2x 5TB 7200rpm HD, 2x 6TB 7200rpm HD, 4x 256GB SSD, 4x 500GB SSD, unRAID Pro 6.7.2 (Dual Parity + SSD Cache). Capture: 1x Ceton InfiniTV 4 (ClearQAM), 2x Ceton InfiniTV 6, 1x BM1000-HDMI, 1x BM3500-HDMI. Clients: 1x HD300 (Living Room), 1x HD200 (Master Bedroom). Software: OpenDCT :: WMC Live TV Tuner :: Schedules Direct EPG |
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