Windows 11 announcement

[phelme]

Still early of course, but discovered using the Windows PC Health checker that my server won't be able to run Windows 11, as the AMD A10 processors won't be supported (and I doubt the motherboard in there does TPM 2.0 anyway).

Maybe this will get me to upgrade to something of this era.

[nyplayer]

Originally Posted by phelme

Still early of course, but discovered using the Windows PC Health checker that my server won't be able to run Windows 11, as the AMD A10 processors won't be supported (and I doubt the motherboard in there does TPM 2.0 anyway).

Maybe this will get me to upgrade to something of this era.

I did the Check and not of my PC's came back able ... My Intel i7 i5 ... So i would not put much stock in that Health Check.

[Telecore]

I read that the CPU requirement is not a "hard requirement" and most decent CPUs can run Win 11 - check and see if your BIOS has “PSP fTPM” (AMD) or "PTT" for Intel and enable it and re-run - those are effectively a built-in TPM. I can't seem to find a list for Intel but I read that almost all CPUs since Gen 4 have PTT.

[nyplayer]

This came back as unsupported ....

[Telecore]

The official Win 11 CPU list indicates an 8th generation or newer Intel CPU is required - It looks like the software is factoring in the "soft requirement" of the CPU - I'll try my 9th gen when I get home and post - this morning the health checker said my core i5 9600K was not ready either, but I have since learned about turning on PTT in the BIOS, which I am fairly certain is currently off

Update: After turning on PTT, my PC is now Windows 11 ready - conclusion: PC Health App is checking for TPM/PTT and checking the CPU list

[stuckless]

I think if history has taught us anything, then Windows 11 will be a dud, Windows 12 will fix everything wrong with Windows 11, and not to fret, because the Linux PC Health Checker says that it'll run on your old hardware just fine.

[wayner]

The announcements didn't talk too much about what is advancing on WSL. Presumably the Android emulator on Win11 will use WSL. WSL is becoming more and more useful and I have been using it a fair bit and it has added a lot more functionality. You can now get at least three Linux distros as well - Ubuntu, Kali and Suse.

It will be interesting to see if the Win11 Android emulator will run the SageTV Android client.

[wayner]

Originally Posted by Telecore

The official Win 11 CPU list indicates an 8th generation or newer Intel CPU is required - It looks like the software is factoring in the "soft requirement" of the CPU - I'll try my 9th gen when I get home and post - this morning the health checker said my core i5 9600K was not ready either, but I have since learned about turning on PTT in the BIOS, which I am fairly certain is currently off

Update: After turning on PTT, my PC is now Windows 11 ready - conclusion: PC Health App is checking for TPM/PTT and checking the CPU list

You can find the list of supported CPUs here: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...tel-processors

Many people will not be able to run Win11 as this is a pretty high bar in terms of having a fairly new PC.

From TheVerge:https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/25/2...e-requirements

Originally, Microsoft noted that CPU generation requirements are a “soft floor” limit for the Windows 11 installer, which should have allowed some older CPUs to be able to install Windows 11 with a warning, but hours after we published this story, the company updated that page to explicitly require the list of chips above. We’ve reached out to Microsoft to clarify its CPU requirements and support, and we’ll update you accordingly.

[nyplayer]

Originally Posted by wayner

You can find the list of supported CPUs here: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...tel-processors

Many people will not be able to run Win11 as this is a pretty high bar in terms of having a fairly new PC.

From TheVerge:https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/25/2...e-requirements

There are already videos on installing on any hardware.

[Tiki]

Originally Posted by wayner

You can find the list of supported CPUs here: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...tel-processors

Many people will not be able to run Win11 as this is a pretty high bar in terms of having a fairly new PC.

From TheVerge:https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/25/2...e-requirements

That page only lists the intel processors. There is another page for amd:
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...amd-processors

[sic0048]

I suspect this has more to do with the announced Windows 11 requirement of TPM 2.0 support (Trusted Platform Module) than anything else.

TPMs support is a fairly new thing, so many of the older processors/motherboards aren't going to support it.

It will be interesting to see if Windows backs down from this at all or if it ends up being a mandatory requirement for Windows 11 to work at all.

[wayner]

How will this affect running Windows 11 in VMs, like under unRAID as a host OS. Will you still need TPM or can that be "emulated" by the host OS in a WM?

[stuckless]

Originally Posted by wayner

How will this affect running Windows 11 in VMs, like under unRAID as a host OS. Will you still need TPM or can that be "emulated" by the host OS in a WM?

I think this video Linus (Linus tech tips) installs windows 11 on unraid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odZSCdNTFPw

[Malfunction]

I'm much more concerned that Windows 11 might introduce some new "features" we have to work around to keep SageTV running.

[RonBoyd]

https://www.ghacks.net/2021/06/29/mi...-requirements/

Microsoft's Windows 11 operating system may support more processors than initially announcement by Microsoft through the system requirements. Microsoft released the first Windows 11 Insider build on June 28, 2021 for testing.

[Zogg]

Originally Posted by Malfunction

I'm much more concerned that Windows 11 might introduce some new "features" we have to work around to keep SageTV running.

Really depends on how you want to set up your system.

For me, I want as few updates and changes as possible on certain systems that will never or rarely interface to the interweb, so I've been installing Win 8.1 and setting it to no updates. I have a Win 8.1 VM that serves as an HDPVR2 network tuner server set up this way, and I don't want it getting mucked up.

[valnar]

Almost ditto for me, although I do updates.

I have two servers running at home and both are Windows 8.1 64-bit. I don't need or want any of the Win10 garbage on those. One is SageTV, Plex and assorted AV stuff. The other is BlueIris.

[Malfunction]

Originally Posted by phelme

Still early of course, but discovered using the Windows PC Health checker that my server won't be able to run Windows 11, as the AMD A10 processors won't be supported (and I doubt the motherboard in there does TPM 2.0 anyway).

Maybe this will get me to upgrade to something of this era.

I just tried that on my desktop. The site says it's "coming soon".

[nyplayer]

Install on older hardware.

https://www.theverge.com/22644194/mi...essors-changes

[Malfunction]

Originally Posted by Malfunction

I just tried that on my desktop. The site says it's "coming soon".

If there are still flashes available, there may be hope. I just got my SageTV and my desktop box up to speed. The desktop is running an ASUS B360 Prime Plus Intel LGA 1151 ATX motherboard and just needed a new flash with no other adjustments. I had to do mbr2gpt on the SageTV box running the ASRock B450M Pro4 motherboard.

The ASUS is 3 years old and the ASRock is 2.