Should FLAC work right out of the box?

[Shield]

I get an error on playback of any FLAC files...

Wed 9/3 20:51:49.520 Built:sage.PlaybackException: ERROR (-5,0x8007000e): There was a problem rendering the audio portion of the content for playback.
Wed 9/3 20:51:49.520 sage.PlaybackException: ERROR (-5,0x8007000e): There was a problem rendering the audio portion of the content for playback.

[mikehaney]

It works right out of the box with my extenders. To play it on a PC client, I think you need a codec.

[Shield]

I noticed something. When I use
always_use_dshow_player=TRUE it doesn't work, but when I use
always_use_dshow_player=false it works.

With the false it calls the FFMPEG decoder properly.

Short of installing the Winamp plugin, is there any other workarounds?

[gplasky]

As mikehaney stated above you need to install the FLAC codec on your PC client. That's why when you set use dshow player =true it doesn't work. When set to false it uses the Sageplayer which is essentially the mplayer which uses ffmpeg and can play FLAC. Go here to download the codec: http://flac.sourceforge.net/download.html

Gerry

[Shield]

So you're saying once I load this I should still be able to leave my dshow=true setting ON, right?

[Shield]

Originally Posted by gplasky

As mikehaney stated above you need to install the FLAC codec on your PC client. That's why when you set use dshow player =true it doesn't work. When set to false it uses the Sageplayer which is essentially the mplayer which uses ffmpeg and can play FLAC. Go here to download the codec: http://flac.sourceforge.net/download.html

Gerry

Still no go after a reboot and after installing this....

[stanger89]

Does flac play in Windows Media Player?

[Shield]

Yes sir.

It's been a while and I had forgotten why I set the property for the always use dshow player to "true". So I set it back to the default of "always_use_dshow_player=false"
and fired up a 1080p mkv file. It used "FFmpeg H.264" as the decoder (instead of my beloved Divx H.264 decoder) so obviously I'm going to want to leave this setting as it was before, which is always_use_dshow_player=TRUE.

So, with it set to true obviously it's looking for a dshow filter to playback the flac file, which I do have installed as they playback fine in mplayer and Windows Media Player.

Any ideas?

[Shield]

Here's my log from the sagetvclient.properties when trying to play a FLAC:

Thu 9/4 13:34:13.698 VF.startPlaylist Playlist[Now Playing A[4067121,4067120,"Come Softly to Me The Very Best of the Fleetwoods",0@0825.12:55,2], ] startIdx=0
Thu 9/4 13:34:13.698 VF.submitJob(VFJob[StartPlaylist r=0.0 t=0 file=null ifn=null])
Thu 9/4 13:34:13.698 VF processing job VFJob[StartPlaylist r=0.0 t=0 file=null ifn=null] nPlayin=false
Thu 9/4 13:34:13.900 setUI(sage.b1@119e82c[Now Playing]) histIdx=2 uiHistory=[sage.b1@161ce13[Dynamic Menu by nielm], sage.b1@136055d[My Music], sage.b1@119e82c[Now Playing]]
Thu 9/4 13:34:13.904 VF processing on UI Thread VFJob[StartPlaylist r=0.0 t=0 file=null ifn=null]
Thu 9/4 13:34:13.905 VF.watchNextInPlaylist playlistChain=[Playlist[Now Playing A[4067121,4067120,"Come Softly to Me The Very Best of the Fleetwoods",0@0825.12:55,2], ]] playindices=[-1] currFile=null
Thu 9/4 13:34:13.905 VideoFrame.watch(A[4067121,4067120,"Come Softly to Me The Very Best of the Fleetwoods",0@0825.12:55,2])
Thu 9/4 13:34:13.905 watchThisFile=MediaFile[id=4067119 A[4067121,4067120,"Come Softly to Me The Very Best of the Fleetwoods",0@0825.12:55,2] host=mce encodedBy= format=FLAC 0:02:25 557 kbps [#0 Audio[FLAC 44100 Hz 2 channels  idx=0]] \\pep\mp3\04 - Mr Blue.flac, Seg0[Mon 8/25 12:55:19.775-Mon 8/25 12:57:44.875]]
Thu 9/4 13:34:13.907 Watch airing is a file & over, do that instead dvd=false
Thu 9/4 13:34:13.909 VF.submitJob(VFJob[WatchMF r=0.0 t=0 file=MediaFile[id=4067119 A[4067121,4067120,"Come Softly to Me The Very Best of the Fleetwoods",0@0825.12:55,2] host=mce encodedBy= format=FLAC 0:02:25 557 kbps [#0 Audio[FLAC 44100 Hz 2 channels  idx=0]] \\pep\mp3\04 - Mr Blue.flac, Seg0[Mon 8/25 12:55:19.775-Mon 8/25 12:57:44.875]] ifn=null])
Thu 9/4 13:34:13.910 VF processing job VFJob[WatchMF r=0.0 t=0 file=MediaFile[id=4067119 A[4067121,4067120,"Come Softly to Me The Very Best of the Fleetwoods",0@0825.12:55,2] host=mce encodedBy= format=FLAC 0:02:25 557 kbps [#0 Audio[FLAC 44100 Hz 2 channels  idx=0]] \\pep\mp3\04 - Mr Blue.flac, Seg0[Mon 8/25 12:55:19.775-Mon 8/25 12:57:44.875]] ifn=null] nPlayin=false
Thu 9/4 13:34:13.912 VF processing on UI Thread VFJob[WatchMF r=0.0 t=0 file=MediaFile[id=4067119 A[4067121,4067120,"Come Softly to Me The Very Best of the Fleetwoods",0@0825.12:55,2] host=mce encodedBy= format=FLAC 0:02:25 557 kbps [#0 Audio[FLAC 44100 Hz 2 channels  idx=0]] \\pep\mp3\04 - Mr Blue.flac, Seg0[Mon 8/25 12:55:19.775-Mon 8/25 12:57:44.875]] ifn=null]
Thu 9/4 13:34:13.912 VideoFrame creating new media player for file:MediaFile[id=4067119 A[4067121,4067120,"Come Softly to Me The Very Best of the Fleetwoods",0@0825.12:55,2] host=mce encodedBy= format=FLAC 0:02:25 557 kbps [#0 Audio[FLAC 44100 Hz 2 channels  idx=0]] \\pep\mp3\04 - Mr Blue.flac, Seg0[Mon 8/25 12:55:19.775-Mon 8/25 12:57:44.875]]
Thu 9/4 13:34:13.917 VF processing job VFJob[LoadMF r=0.0 t=0 file=MediaFile[id=4067119 A[4067121,4067120,"Come Softly to Me The Very Best of the Fleetwoods",0@0825.12:55,2] host=mce encodedBy= format=FLAC 0:02:25 557 kbps [#0 Audio[FLAC 44100 Hz 2 channels  idx=0]] \\pep\mp3\04 - Mr Blue.flac, Seg0[Mon 8/25 12:55:19.775-Mon 8/25 12:57:44.875]] ifn=null] nPlayin=false
Thu 9/4 13:34:13.921 VF processing on UI Thread VFJob[LoadMF r=0.0 t=0 file=MediaFile[id=4067119 A[4067121,4067120,"Come Softly to Me The Very Best of the Fleetwoods",0@0825.12:55,2] host=mce encodedBy= format=FLAC 0:02:25 557 kbps [#0 Audio[FLAC 44100 Hz 2 channels  idx=0]] \\pep\mp3\04 - Mr Blue.flac, Seg0[Mon 8/25 12:55:19.775-Mon 8/25 12:57:44.875]] ifn=null]
Thu 9/4 13:34:13.922 VF file=MediaFile[id=4067119 A[4067121,4067120,"Come Softly to Me The Very Best of the Fleetwoods",0@0825.12:55,2] host=mce encodedBy= format=FLAC 0:02:25 557 kbps [#0 Audio[FLAC 44100 Hz 2 channels  idx=0]] \\pep\mp3\04 - Mr Blue.flac, Seg0[Mon 8/25 12:55:19.775-Mon 8/25 12:57:44.875]] targetTime = Mon 8/25 12:55:19.775
Thu 9/4 13:34:13.922 VideoFrame.timeSelected(Mon 8/25 12:55:19.775, true) currFile=MediaFile[id=4067119 A[4067121,4067120,"Come Softly to Me The Very Best of the Fleetwoods",0@0825.12:55,2] host=mce encodedBy= format=FLAC 0:02:25 557 kbps [#0 Audio[FLAC 44100 Hz 2 channels  idx=0]] \\pep\mp3\04 - Mr Blue.flac, Seg0[Mon 8/25 12:55:19.775-Mon 8/25 12:57:44.875]]
Thu 9/4 13:34:13.931 ImageUtils loading file C:\Program Files\SageTV\SageTV\STVs\SageTV3\SageMCE\Themes\Default\logo_pause.png
Thu 9/4 13:34:13.961 DShowPlayer setAudioRendererFilter0(Default DirectSound Device) called
Thu 9/4 13:34:14.078 DShowPlayer setTimeshift=0 buffer=0
Thu 9/4 13:34:14.082 Using the default source filter
Thu 9/4 13:34:14.095 NATIVE Loading the source file
Thu 9/4 13:34:14.099 NATIVE RenderSource called
Thu 9/4 13:34:14.984 EventThread-SAGETV_PROCESS_LOCAL_UI Hang Detected - hang time = 750
Thu 9/4 13:34:15.484 ImageUtils loading URL jar:file:/C:/Program%20Files/SageTV/SageTV/Sage.jar!/images/tvicon_anim7.png
Thu 9/4 13:34:15.487 ImageUtils creating BI copy sun.awt.image.ToolkitImage@c4bca9 w=121 h=121 freeMem=29285168 totalMem=122241024
Thu 9/4 13:34:15.487 ImageUtils creating scaled masked copy width=33 height=33 option=null BufferedImage@99e8f8: type = 2 DirectColorModel: rmask=ff0000 gmask=ff00 bmask=ff amask=ff000000 IntegerInterleavedRaster: width = 121 height = 121 #Bands = 4 xOff = 0 yOff = 0 dataOffset[0] 0
Thu 9/4 13:34:15.487 ImageUtils loading URL jar:file:/C:/Program%20Files/SageTV/SageTV/Sage.jar!/images/tvicon_anim0.png
Thu 9/4 13:34:15.489 ImageUtils creating BI copy sun.awt.image.ToolkitImage@9c8620 w=121 h=121 freeMem=29019688 totalMem=122241024
Thu 9/4 13:34:15.490 ImageUtils creating scaled masked copy width=33 height=33 option=null BufferedImage@1afcfd4: type = 2 DirectColorModel: rmask=ff0000 gmask=ff00 bmask=ff amask=ff000000 IntegerInterleavedRaster: width = 121 height = 121 #Bands = 4 xOff = 0 yOff = 0 dataOffset[0] 0
Thu 9/4 13:34:15.734 EventThread-SAGETV_PROCESS_LOCAL_UI Hang Detected - hang time = 1500
Thu 9/4 13:34:16.484 EventThread-SAGETV_PROCESS_LOCAL_UI Hang Detected - hang time = 2250
Thu 9/4 13:34:17.234 EventThread-SAGETV_PROCESS_LOCAL_UI Hang Detected - hang time = 3000
Thu 9/4 13:34:17.985 EventThread-SAGETV_PROCESS_LOCAL_UI Hang Detected - hang time = 3751
Thu 9/4 13:34:18.735 EventThread-SAGETV_PROCESS_LOCAL_UI Hang Detected - hang time = 4501
Thu 9/4 13:34:19.485 EventThread-SAGETV_PROCESS_LOCAL_UI Hang Detected - hang time = 5251
Thu 9/4 13:34:20.110 WIN32 FAILURE HR=0x8007000e FILE=.\CPlayerData.cpp LINE=1486
Thu 9/4 13:34:20.235 EventThread-SAGETV_PROCESS_LOCAL_UI Hang Detected - hang time = 6001
Thu 9/4 13:34:20.985 EventThread-SAGETV_PROCESS_LOCAL_UI Hang Detected - hang time = 6751
Thu 9/4 13:34:21.735 EventThread-SAGETV_PROCESS_LOCAL_UI Hang Detected - hang time = 7501
Thu 9/4 13:34:22.485 EventThread-SAGETV_PROCESS_LOCAL_UI Hang Detected - hang time = 8251
Thu 9/4 13:34:23.235 EventThread-SAGETV_PROCESS_LOCAL_UI Hang Detected - hang time = 9001
Thu 9/4 13:34:23.985 EventThread-SAGETV_PROCESS_LOCAL_UI Hang Detected - hang time = 9751
Thu 9/4 13:34:24.735 EventThread-SAGETV_PROCESS_LOCAL_UI Hang Detected - hang time = 10501
Thu 9/4 13:34:25.485 EventThread-SAGETV_PROCESS_LOCAL_UI Hang Detected - hang time = 11251
Thu 9/4 13:34:26.235 EventThread-SAGETV_PROCESS_LOCAL_UI Hang Detected - hang time = 12001
Thu 9/4 13:34:26.240 WIN32 FAILURE HR=0x8007000e FILE=.\CPlayerData.cpp LINE=1515
Thu 9/4 13:34:26.240 Exception from line: 697
Thu 9/4 13:34:26.240 Built:sage.PlaybackException: ERROR (-5,0x8007000e): There was a problem rendering the audio portion of the content for playback.
Thu 9/4 13:34:26.240 sage.PlaybackException: ERROR (-5,0x8007000e): There was a problem rendering the audio portion of the content for playback.
Thu 9/4 13:34:26.240 	at sage.DShowMediaPlayer.setupGraph0(Native Method)
Thu 9/4 13:34:26.240 	at sage.DShowMusicPlayer.load(Unknown Source)
Thu 9/4 13:34:26.240 	at sage.VideoFrame.a(Unknown Source)
Thu 9/4 13:34:26.240 	at sage.VideoFrame.a(Unknown Source)
Thu 9/4 13:34:26.240 	at sage.VideoFrame.access$100(Unknown Source)
Thu 9/4 13:34:26.240 	at sage.VideoFrame$4.run(Unknown Source)
Thu 9/4 13:34:26.240 	at java.awt.event.InvocationEvent.dispatch(Unknown Source)
Thu 9/4 13:34:26.241 	at java.awt.EventQueue.dispatchEvent(Unknown Source)
Thu 9/4 13:34:26.241 	at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpOneEventForFilters(Unknown Source)
Thu 9/4 13:34:26.241 	at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEventsForFilter(Unknown Source)
Thu 9/4 13:34:26.241 	at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEventsForHierarchy(Unknown Source)
Thu 9/4 13:34:26.241 	at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEvents(Unknown Source)
Thu 9/4 13:34:26.241 	at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.pumpEvents(Unknown Source)
Thu 9/4 13:34:26.241 	at java.awt.EventDispatchThread.run(Unknown Source)
Thu 9/4 13:34:26.241 VideFrame had an error loading the file. It must abort the file load.
Thu 9/4 13:34:26.241 Tearing down playback graph
Thu 9/4 13:34:26.241 NATIVE Deallocating the CPlayerData object
Thu 9/4 13:34:26.241 processOptionsMenu optionsMenu=default:MWUBJ-4065112|OptionsMenu:ErrorMessage
Thu 9/4 13:34:26.247 NATIVE Finished destroying the playback graph
Thu 9/4 13:34:26.250 VF processing job null nPlayin=false
Thu 9/4 13:34:26.250 VF thread is now waiting for 0:00:00.000

[Shield]

And here's the graph in graphedit:

[Fuzzy]

Hmmm.. it looks from that graph image, that the FLAC filter is both the source filter AND the decoder, as it is outputting decoded PCM (which is being picked up by AC3Filter, I'm guessing for AC3 encoding to go to your receiver). This method of source and decoder is perhaps the problem, as I think sage always tried to use its own specific source filters. IF this is the way that sourceforge flac filter works, then THAT one probably won't work with sage. Instead, try ffdshow. It supports flac, and it loads as a decoder filter only, using any generic source filter. It should work with sage (and end up supporting pretty much every other codec imaginable). It can even do the AC3 encoding for you, and you can leave AC3Filter out of the mix entirely, if you so choose.

[stanger89]

Actually you might want to try the ffdshow audio decoder, it can decode flac, or maybe this flac decoder:

http://www.xiph.org/dshow/

I'm guessing what you installed was the flac package from SF, which doesn't have a dshow decoder with it.

[Shield]

Originally Posted by stanger89

Actually you might want to try the ffdshow audio decoder, it can decode flac, or maybe this flac decoder:

http://www.xiph.org/dshow/

I'm guessing what you installed was the flac package from SF, which doesn't have a dshow decoder with it.

It's funny you linked that as it's the first one I installed before starting this thread. It enabled FLAC for Windows Media Player/Classic for me, but it's not working in Sage.

[Shield]

Originally Posted by Fuzzy

Hmmm.. it looks from that graph image, that the FLAC filter is both the source filter AND the decoder, as it is outputting decoded PCM (which is being picked up by AC3Filter, I'm guessing for AC3 encoding to go to your receiver). This method of source and decoder is perhaps the problem, as I think sage always tried to use its own specific source filters. IF this is the way that sourceforge flac filter works, then THAT one probably won't work with sage. Instead, try ffdshow. It supports flac, and it loads as a decoder filter only, using any generic source filter. It should work with sage (and end up supporting pretty much every other codec imaginable). It can even do the AC3 encoding for you, and you can leave AC3Filter out of the mix entirely, if you so choose.

Are you saying to add this to the client properties?
videoframe/flac_audio_decoder_filter=ffdshow Audio Decoder

If so, that ain't working. Again, if I switch the always use dshow back to "false" then it plays just fine in Sage..

It's puzzling...

[geogecko]

I'm having the same problem. I was using the Winamp plugin, and am trying to get away from using it, to reduce the amount of stuff I have to have installed.

I installed ffdshow tryouts (a branch from the original ffdshow), which supports FLAC, and set videoframe/flac_audio_decoder_filter=ffdshow Audio Decoder, and I still do not get FLAC playback. The winamp property is also set to false when trying this, and that doesn't help.

[gplasky]

FLAC-download

I don't use ffdshow but you probably need the directshow filter for FLAC. Other players use a plugin.

If you want to play FLAC files, here is how with some popular players:
Windows Media Player (WMP) - Microsoft does not make it easy, but try this DirectShow filter
Winamp - Winamp plays FLAC out of the box (download the Full version to also get FLAC encoding).
dbPowerAMP Audio Player - Install the FLAC plugin.
Media Center/Media Jukebox - Install the in_FLAC plugin.
MediaMonkey - Plays FLAC out of the box.

Gerry

[geogecko]

Thanks Gerry.

I installed the directshow filters from here:
http://www.xiph.org/dshow/

After a reboot, still get the error message about trying to render the audio...

Any other ideas?

[geogecko]

I just checked playback in WMP, and it works just fine, plays using the directshow filter I just installed.

Is there a specific way to tell Sage how to play it?

[stanger89]

Might want to look at madflac as well.

[geogecko]

Would that be installed instead of ffdshow, the FLAC codec I just installed, or both?