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No, (if you don't think so reply to this post with why if you don't mind) |
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Any chance of rolling Placeshifter and Client into one product?
This has been talked about a bit before, but I wanted to bring it up again. . .
I find it strange that Placeshifter and Client behave so differently. The basic difference from what I can tell, is the client is made for internal "intranet" use on your home network, and placeshifter is for slingbox style out over the internet. Yes i get that each works very differently. . .e.g. Placeshifter is doing telling the server to transcode the video and send it at some rate across the net, whereas client usually does no transcoding. . . What's interesting is that either the HD-200 and/or HD-300 do both depending on the situation. I feel like the Placeshifter / Client software versions for the PC/Mac should just be rolled up into one product, with one license, and then just work. . . thoughts?
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Sage charges a very reasonable fee as it is and they are 2 separate products and do 2 separate things. I see no reason to roll it into one license.
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Oh i'm not arguing about the pricing. . . I just don't understand why not just have it all in one, especially since (again correct me if I'm wrong here), the extenders have all the features of both.
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SageTV Client is a completely different architecture in which everything executes on the client, using the client's file system. Media files are read directly by the client over the network where possible. Only the database interactions are forwarded to the server. So Client is much more scalable to large systems, since almost everything is offloaded from the server to the client. Client and Placeshifter can coexist perfectly well on one machine, so if price isn't the issue, just install them both and use whichever one suits your needs.
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OK that makes sense (sorry for being a dunce, I always get confused about their respective functionalities).
But even so. . . it seems to me, you're best chance for success at home with multiple "clients" (placeshifters, extenders, whatever), is to be using a LAN at home. Wi-fi can work. . .but you are subject to a lot of potential problems. . . and same goes if you try to do the whole ethernet over power line thing. . . So. . .wouldn't it make more sense to bundle the software client/placeshifter together, and have them be one product? It could then detect then environment, and go into full "client" mode or placeshifter mode depending on if you are going out over the internet/connection speed and the like? It feels really weird to me. . .to have 2 different pieces of software and force the user to choose which one. . .
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How many flavors of Windows Vista were there?
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If that's what you want, just use Placeshifter, it works just fine on a LAN, and like extenders it skips transcoding if you're on the lan.
Client is completely different, relying almost entirely on Directshow and allowing tweaking of decoders/filters. Another thing to consider. SageClient and SageTV Media Center are basically identical except for recording backend. Placeshifter is an entirely different playback architecture. They're different apps/products you can't really combine them any more than you could say Windows and Mac. |
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Personally, I'd just prefer them to roll placeshifing (variable data rate server based compression) as an option to the sage client. You would then have the advantages of the client (a full media app - hardware acelleration, local UI generation, SendMessage based control, etc), but have the ability to use of over slower connections.
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As for bundling them both into one installer, the current Placeshifter installer is 25MB and the Client installer is 65MB. At a guess the combined installer would be at least three times the size of the Placeshifter installer alone. So why would a Placeshifter user want to pay more for all that extra baggage they're never going to use?
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Precisely what I was struggling with as I read this thread. My family doesn't Placeshift much. We have a single license which came with the WHS install of SageTV and it's very rarely used. Rolling it into the client would then give us two licenses for Placeshifter we rarely use, yet had to pay for.
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And I think it goes back to understanding there design and techical reasons for there being 2 seperate applications. And the Placeshifter software client precludes playing DVDs. Any of my PC's (including laptops) have a PC client. The laptop also has a Placeshifter client for going on the road. But with extenders working even better I'm down to 2 PC's running Sage client.
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Well i'm better understaning the design / technical reasons. . .
But the thing is if you buy a license for Placeshifter. . . are there not times you are going to use it at home? And if so. . .wouldn't you prefer it to work like "client" rather than "placeshifter client"? (Assuming of course that you had the hardware that could handle it?) Then you don't have as much load on your server. . . and don't really have to choose which one, which for a lot of folks (including me) is not always an easy choice to understand / make. I do also get the price argument. . . i mean if you know what you are doing, i suppose its fine to have them seperate. . .but that doesn't mean you couldn't bundle / sell them together as well. . . Quote:
I could install client. . .and then she could play dvd's (i guess only at home in another room though). . .but then she can't take her laptop on the road and do the same thing. . . (or at least it will be too slow to use) And if I install both. . . then I have to try and explain the difference. . .which obviously I've been struggling with. . . Like I said, it seems to me you could at least offer them / bundle them together as one package. . . and write some code to choose modes based on environmental situation. . .
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Everyone wishes Clent and Placeshifter could share licenses, but the architecture just doesn't allow it.
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I agree with this concept. If on a laptop I have installed both the placeshifter and client, couldn't there be "some glue" that would automatically (based on some reasonable, and configurable criteria) determine which one to run. The WAF would definitely increase.
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I run client PCs exclusively for extenders, and use Sage Client on all of them. They are exclusive HTPCs, with only apps/decoders installed that I want to launch from Sage.
My wifes laptop runs Client wirelessly for TV and media playback, although it is not used exclusively as a Sage box. My laptop runs Client when I am at home, and Placeshifter anywhere else I can hook up. I keep the interface on the server simple to aid in my Placeshifting over slower hotel or wifi connections. The clients have customized interfaces with fanart which is handled easily over a local Gb network. Grant |
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Sure, anybody fluent in VBScript, PowerShell, or similar scripting tools should be able to whip up something that tests to see if you're on your home LAN and launches Client or Placeshifter as appropriate.
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I would kind of liken it to the way the HD200/HD300 Extenders can work as Full clients or Placeshifters. Just add the same logic to the software...
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See post #4. The extenders never work as full clients; they run either in extender mode (which is like a Placeshifter client) or in standalone mode (which is not a client at all). In extender mode they can connect either locally or remotely (like the software Placeshifter). But in no case do they do what SageTV Client does, running the UI on the client hardware while connected to a SageTV server for media database access.
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![]() I work in IT, so this sounds like a user coming to me and saying, "I created an Excel spreadsheet which is 500MB in size and it takes forever to open. Can we increase the speed of the network so it opens faster?" In this scenario, the first course of action would be to figure out if the spreadsheet could be shrunk or moved to something better designed to handle the amount of data, such as Access. In both cases, the destination (user) is not where we'd try to fix the issue. We won't increase bandwidth for this one spreadsheet because it's going to keep growing, causing the same issue again later. Quote:
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I'm also inferring that wireless is partly to blame for the DVD issue at home. In that case, you might want to install some LAN jacks wherever she might want to watch a DVD. Another temporary solution would be to create lesser quality DVD rips. This will obviously cause issues with storage requirements, which is why I said it's temporary.
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